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BiohazardX-87 
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 Topic: Back Again - Hopefully Last AttemptPosted: 15 Jul 2012 at 8:44pm |
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I have been trying to get this order placed for weeks now. If all goes well I will place my order probably Monday evening or Tuesday morning. I am disappointed that I could not do so earlier, but it partially worked out due to the current promotion. I still have to contact my employer again tomorrow to ensure everything is back on track, but I hope to place my order at the end of the week at the latest – recent college graduate finally becoming a real member of society. Budget: I would like to remain around $3000 but the more I can save the more I can utilize for new peripherals (explained later). Usage
o BF3 currently, perhaps SWTOR o Civiliation 5 o Old C&C that I have missed out on
I am upgrading from a rig I built myself about 5 years ago that is utterly outdated now for gaming but still excellent for office work and regular use. Will be maintaining the old system for data usage if at all possible and why I must acquire new peripherals at least eventually – no imminent need. Current peripherals Samsung T260HD, Razer Lachesis, Razer Lycosa Anticipated 1. Monitor Dell Ultrasharp U2412M – can someone verify that the Amazon Item is the same as the newegg item. It is considerably cheaper, and so I second guess my ability to read model numbers. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260047&Tpk=dell%20ultrasharp%20u2412m 2. Keyboard Mechanical, but I cannot decide between several options if anyone would like to weigh in on that · DAS S Professional Silent · Thermaltake G1 · Corsair K60 – I know it does not have full mechanical layout 3. Mouse Undecided, but I am interested in the R.A.T 7 Infection due to customizability and it has been revised to remove the problems of the standard R.A.T. 7. Also interested in Corsair M60 I have two builds now. After reading some recent posts I have noticed that the Veteran Users who offer guidance have started suggesting the i7 3820 OC stage 2 and when I last planned a build it was for the i5 3570 OC Stage 2. Perhaps this option was not available a month ago or I just missed the reasoning for it aside from the quad channel ram for ram intensive programs like photo editing. And I was going to ask for the extra top fan and perhaps the extra 120 internal fan for the video cards (depending if I even get the 2nd card) I have noticed that an extra 670 2GB FTW edition costs 485 through here, but that I can get one for 409 on newegg. And I am almost positive I could handle dropping that baby in for an $80 savings unless it would be advisable or warranty voiding to do so. I do also understand that it would not then be stress or thermal tested, which does seem worth the 80 bucks. I am also contemplating dropping to a single card regardless as I was advised that it would run these games very well on its own, just not at max settings. Unless I hear otherwise this go around. I chose Corsair over Intel simply for cost despite additional years warrant 2 Optical Drives for convenience not necessity 1050W power supply based on recommendations HafX for air cooling Stage 2 and factory fans, with additional top case fan Windows PRO for ability to increase Ram if desired Thanks in advance for all advice and guidance and help removing any of my confusion. Build #1 Ticket Number: 708107 Specifications: Video Boost option is a remnant of a mistake and will not be on final order Build #2 Ticket Number: 708544 Specifications:
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bprat22
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 5:01am |
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Hi BiohazardX-87. Both configs are right on. For strictly gaming, the first build with Z77 is all you need..If you want the option to add a third card, which I don't think you do, or want the higher memory bandwidth for editing, rendering, etc then go with the second X79 build.
The second build should be stage 1 oc. DS I don't believe will go higher than stage 1 oc for the 3820 chip. We do put it in out of habit. You mentioned going with a single 670. It will give you great gaming with 1920x1080. Most games will max out but some of the gpu hogs like Metro, Crysis Warhead and even BF3 on the maxed out everything setting will struggle to stay 60 fps. I like then both, so if gaming only save a few bucks and go the first build. For 'hobby' photo editing it will perform great. Hope this helps and best of luck.
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BiohazardX-87
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 5:35am |
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bprat, first of all thanks for your continued help.
You are correct that I am not looking for a third card; however, is the extra memory bandwith the only advantage the X79 would have over the the Z77? More accurately, would the X79 perform better or worse in terms of gaming? I do have a desire to begin photo-editing, but nothing intense only as a hobby for perhaps family occasions and just for something to get involved in during down-time. With that said there is always a chance I could love it and start doing it more intensely and a system that would support that could be beneficial. I just want to make sure I make the correct decision based on the data and my needs and not necessarily just my wallet. A few extra dollars today that makes things easier or better down the road is an investment not a loss in my opinion. I have attempted to research this all myself and have a decent handle on some of it, but I just simply cannot comprehend everything in just a few short days of research and so I always appreciate the guidance and input of those more knowledgeable. Thanks |
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bprat22
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 7:19am |
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Tough decisions for sure.
The X79 wouldn't be any better or worse for gaming. The Z77 mobo with Ivy Bridge (3570/3770 ) does have Pcie 3.0 for better bandwidth with graphic cards, but for your setup you'd never use it, or not for a few years. If you think you might delve deeper into editing I would for sure get the X79. Edited by bprat22 - 16 Jul 2012 at 7:24am |
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BiohazardX-87
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 10:26am |
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Would there be any other reason or functions aside from graphics editing that would benefit from the quad channel memory? Trying to save if possible, but the potential for utilizing the extra ram does exist; I am just trying to have another PRO in that list.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 11:01am |
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I don't know all the features of both boards. For that you'd have to check the specs under each item in config page or go to Asus website.
But, in general and for most, the X79 has 40 lanes of pcie( where the cards plug in) to accomodate 3 plus video cards and the z77 has 16 lanes allowing for two cards without a huge loss in performance. For your needs with sli, 2x gpu, the X79 won't buy you anything. The other advantage for most is the quad vs dual channel memory. But, don't underestimate the Z77 Dluxe mobo. Even with dual channel it will handle the tasks very well, just not as fast a data xfer if you really get into it. Another thought, is to take the Z77 config and bump the ram from 8gb to 16gb for $50. It will help with editing. Ram is light years faster at xfering data than if the 8gb runs out and the HDD is used as temporary storage. I don't think you'll be sorry with the Z77 config. It's great. Better you than me with the decision although $$ does have a deciding factor. Hope this helps.
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BiohazardX-87
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Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 2:16pm |
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That was very helpful. I am leaning toward the Z77 due expected amazing performance and my anticipated usage and of course the cost savings.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2012 at 11:35am |
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Final Configuration
Ticket Number: 709214 Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,359.00 Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i5 3570K 3.40 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) (Requires Z77 Motherboard) Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE (Intel Z77 Chipset) (Higher Overclocks and Unique Wi-Fi Features) System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Force GT Series CSSD-F120GBGT-BK) (SATA 6Gbps) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition) Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: ASUS Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs) (Model: BC-12B1ST) Optical Drive 2: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) <b></b> Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 2GB (PhysX) (FTW Overclocked EVGA) Add-on Card: - No Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Extreme Performance H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Enhancements: - No Chassis Mods: - No Noise Reduction: - No LaserMark: - No Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard) Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD) Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large) Went with Z77 as it will be more of a gaming computer than editing computer. Dropped to a single 670 FTW - based on statements in discussion posts as well as product reviews that support a single card being sufficient for my purposes. Not doing it to save costs, but realizing I do not need it does help save money, which will pay for the Dell U2412M. If newer games need it I will drop another one in plus prices fall on a regular basis between now and then. Still going to get the extra internal fan for the video card bay in anticipation of this. Sticking with 8GB memory. If I get into heavier editing software I will upgrade then. Now just waiting on my credit card company to finalize my last payment so that it will not get rejected when I purchase this baby. So I probably have a few hours for any final thoughts if there are any. Once I get it set up and running I will send pics as well as leave some feedback on performance. Anticipate it going somethign like "wow, this is awesome .. (insert reason and example).." Thanks for everyone's help. |
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Posted: 17 Jul 2012 at 12:39pm |
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Looks great. You're gonna love it.
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