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    Posted: 08 Nov 2011 at 12:47pm
Hey Folks,

My old 30" monitor recently died, so I'm looking for a new one. These are the specs I'm looking for:

Primary use: Gaming and programming
Resolution: 2560 x 1600
Matte finish
Low response time
Low input lag
Price is not a concern

Do you have any recommendations?

Thanks,

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  Quote sneaky George W Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Nov 2011 at 3:44pm
we typically recommend the 30" dell ips monitors the (U3011). youre going to hear from others that response time is a bs number, i personaly dont know a ton about monitors, but i can relay info from those who do
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1. response time is a bs number, its there to fool you and does not represent the true response time of the monitor, there is no real way of truly finding what response time is, the closest to it is white to white but you don't see that, you see grey to grey or black to black cause they give small numbers to fool users but they don't mean anything, there are different methods to get these numbers also, and each will give a different number as results, therefore you can even compare one to the other, cause we don't know what method was used for which, and even if we did, still GTG or BTB don't mean anything.

2. contrast ratio is also bs number.

Most important thing about a monitor is its panel, right now there are 2 major ones, TN and IPS, IPS has superior picture quality/clarity.

as mentioned the u3011 is a great monitor since its IPS.

Dell UltraSharp U3011 30"
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  Quote JamesAstro Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Nov 2011 at 2:23am
I ended up ordering the 30" Hewlett Packard ZR30w. I'll let you guys know how it works soon. :)
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Nov 2011 at 2:30am
the Dell has a better processor if I'm not mistaken and you could have gotten it for less.

problem here is that you don't have teh dell next to it to compare it, otherwise I can tell you right now you gonna like it since its IPS, but the Dell is a better monitor.
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  Quote JamesAstro Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Nov 2011 at 3:13am
I actually chose the HP for several reasons:

* I think it's more attractive
* Reviews seem to favor it's build quality and sturdiness
* I don't need the Dell's dual inputs, OSD, or audio outputs. It's just extra complexity and buttons that I won't use.
* Anandtech measured a 23 ms input lag with the Dell. I don't know if I would perceive it, but it's the biggest input lag I've seen. Any number above 16 is crossing into the realm of being noticeable.

Anyway, I have feeling they are both great monitors. I just preferred the simplicity and low input lag of the HP.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Nov 2011 at 5:44am
that input lag stuff is bs and won't really matter, we have a few people here that have the dell, game on it and have no complaints, to me the higher processor is more important, but to each his own.

anadtech has its own issues when it comes to tvs/monitors, they won't even admit that response time is bs.

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  Quote JamesAstro Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Nov 2011 at 1:24pm
I'm not sure what to think about input lag. Some people swear they can detect it, and others say it's BS. Nobody seems to have hard evidence either way. I do applaud Anandtech for trying to measure it though. They seem to have a technique that is fairly scientific and repeatable. Whether it's accurate, I don't know.

The concept of input lag is simple: How long does it take a video frame to be displayed after it's output from the video card. There's no doubt that input lag exists. Processing the video takes some time. The question is how long is it, can it be measured accurately, and most importantly can it even be perceived by a human?

Looking at this problem mathematically suggests it might be a perceivable effect. For example, video frames on a typical monitor have a duration of 16.6 milliseconds. That's how often the display refreshes. If the display takes longer than this to process a frame, then it will occasionally drop a frame, and that would be a perceivable effect.

I wish Anandtech would try this:

1) Write some software that displays a frame counter on the screen, and increment the frame number every 60th of a second. Film that with a high speed camera, and see if every frame number is actually displayed. If frames are dropped on some monitors, but not on others, then that would be a real issue. My guess is that this doesn't happen.

2) Secondly, I would like them to set up a booth at a video game conference, and do a side-by-side blind comparison. They would let each person play a video game on monitor A and B. Then they would ask them which monitor felt more responsive. If they did this with enough people, and were careful about how they performed the test, they might be able to determine whether input lag is perceivable.

I would guess that input lag is less than 16.6 ms on all 30" monitors sold by Dell and HP, and thus I doubt the effect is perceivable. However, I'm not willing to say it's a BS number either. Anandtech has made some effort to measure the effect. Now somebody needs to prove them wrong before I'll call the results BS.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Nov 2011 at 7:23pm
If the test itself is not 100% accurate and/or done correctly/properly, the results are BS.

1. I don't believe snapping pics of wings of fury 3DMark 2003 demo is the proper/accurate way of measuring lag.

2. I never ever go by results of one test, cause those results can be specific to that individual.

3. For me its not a matter of me proving anybody wrong, since they have not proven by any means that what they are doing is correct and everybody else/most people can duplicate their results.

I go around the net the all day and find many sites be completely inaccurate about things I know about.

I like anadtech but I have seen them make lot of comments about things that are not correct, at the end of the day, you are really dealing with one individual and not the whole site. If you look at anadtech's monitor reviews, you will see most times its done by the same person, brian, whom sometimes I like to smack for giving his opinion as fact.

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  Quote JamesAstro Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 12:45pm
Well, I tried the HP ZR30w last night, and the results are in...

...It's being shipped back, because it hums at all brightness settings other than 100%. This is something that a few reviews mentioned, but I was hoping I'd be one of the lucky ones who got a non-humming monitor.

Oh well. Next I'll try the Dell U3011. Has anyone noticed that monitor humming in a quiet room when there is a nearly silent laptop attached to it?

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 5:34pm
My surroundings is loud with all kinds of stuff, tv/fans/etc, so I can't speak for that, when it is quiet personally I didn't notice anything.

if you search dragoon's posts, he has one too, he loves his and no complaints as far as I know.

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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 4:33pm
U3011 here, no humming. I also game on it extensively, no input lag that I can perceive.

It's a great monitor, you'll like it.
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  Quote JamesAstro Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 8:35pm
I had a chance to compare these monitors side by side today:
     HP ZR30w
     Dell U3011

I used each one for several hours, and frequently switched between them. I used them for Battlefield 3 gaming, surfing the web, and computer programming. I tested them with my MacBook Pro, and my Digital Storm gaming rig.

Here are the results of my tests:

HP Advantages:
     * Simpler controls
     * Easier to find a brightness setting that looks good
     * Lower input lag (in theory)

Dell Advantages:
     * Better cable management
     * More attractive
     * Swiveling base
     * Doesn't hum as much as the HP
     * More input options

My favorite feature of the HP is it's simplicity. The only display setting is brightness. It makes it very easy to find the optimal brightness. Sometimes my office is full of sunlight, and other times it's pitch dark outside. Thus I tend to adjust the brightness frequently. This was super-easy with the HP. The Dell on the other hand has brightness, contrast, gamma, sharpness, and even 8 preset modes. It took a lot more fiddling to get the appearance that I wanted. For example, to adjust the contrast requires a minimum of 4 button presses on the Dell.

However, that was the HP's only real advantage. I liked the Dell in every other way. The HP had an annoying 60 Hz hum that was louder when you turned the brightness down. The Dell does this also, but it's quiet enough that you don't notice it much.

The Dell is also more attractive, mainly because it has better cable management. All of the cables route through a hole in the monitor stand. The hole is up high, so it pulls the cables up where you can't see them from the front of the monitor. In contrast, the HP routes the cables through a hole at the bottom of the base. This makes all of the cables visible from the front. Nothing ruins the clean appearance of your workspace like a power cable, 3 USB cables, and a DVI cable all hanging down at the bottom of your monitor. With the HP you'd be better off not using the cable management.

The Dell also pivots on its stand, and it has a plethora of input options (two DVI, VGA, and DisplayPort). I'm only using DVI, but it's nice to know there are other options.

Regarding input lag, I played Battlefield 3 with both monitors. I payed close attention to how responsive the game felt. Both monitors were excellent. I think maybe the HP felt a little snappier, but it was so subtle that it might have been a psychological effect. After all, I knew I was playing on a monitor that was reported to have less input lag. I'm not sure that I would have noticed the difference if it had been a blind test. Anyway, if it took me 30 minutes to determine which monitor has less input lag, then obviously the monitors are pretty similar.

So there you have it. I'm keeping the Dell, and sending the HP back because of the hum.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2011 at 11:51pm
My hat off to you for acknowledging the psychological effect, most people don't even catch that.
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