Best build for my budget $1,400Post Date: 2008-09-07 |
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Bouke285 
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I have a budget of around $1,400 I could go a bit over. I was wondering If someone could come up with the best possible build for that price. I don't need a mouse keyboard or monitor. And only want the 160gig hard drive. If anyone feels like doing this it would be greatly apreciated
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skyR
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 12:22pm |
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http://digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=181038
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DST4ME
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 12:47pm |
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skyr, you forgot to change the mombo to an ati compatible, right now its an sli ;)
so if you decide to go with skyr's setup make sure you change the mombo to asus it would be this |
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skyR
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 1:52pm |
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You don't need a sli mobo for a single 4850 -.-
dso doesn't have any p35 or p45 in their configs =\ |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 2:09pm |
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ok what am I missing here?
you have picked this mombo with an ati card Chassis: Antec 900 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 550W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.66GHz (1333MHz Front Side Bus) (6MB Cache) Motherboard: NVIDIA 750i SLI Core 2 Quad (Chipset: nForce 750i SLI) System Memory: 2GB DDR2 OCZ at 800MHz Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 160GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty is that compatible? is that an sli? |
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 2:11pm |
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You're missing the idea that if you don't intend to ever run two GPU's you don't need to concern yourself with SLI or Crossfire compatibility.
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DST4ME
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no I'm not missing that TL, I got you on that, but I don't understand why I would recommend them that system so that if they do ever decide to upgrade a bit, they have to now buy 2 cards and throw the one I recommended away. would you be happy if it was you that had to dish-out the extra money? why not just recommend a crossfire for ati and sli for nvidia, this way when the customers goes to upgrade it does not cust them anything extra. also is that mombo an sli? you said it was not? Edited by DST4ME - 07 Sep 2008 at 2:20pm |
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 3:06pm |
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In a single sentence: To make budget.
 Please quote were I wrote that the motherboard wasn't SLI. I don't recall doing so , but would be happy to clarify.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 3:12pm |
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I misread the sli, sorry.
unless you tell the customer the problem with upgrade I don't see how "make the budget" is a good enough answer to why the customer should pay double, anytime they want to upgrade. |
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 4:07pm |
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No one has suggested otherwise. I will try to be more plain. For this budget to be made, if DSO had a motherboard available with only a single 16xPCI-e slot available, that would have been the suggestion. Since there is no P35 or P38 motherboard in the configuration page, in it's place, the least expensive motherboard was selected. The intent being that this would not ever be a multi GPU platform.
The only other way to stay within budget and allow for a multi-GPU solution later would be to go to an Nvidia GPU. This is certainly a possibility.
To state again. No one is trying to be other than helpful. It is good to point out shortcomings in a potential build, but had there been a P35 motherboard to select, this would not be in discussion.
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 4:15pm |
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ok so why not go with:
Video Card: CLEARANCE PRICED: NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS 512MB price is exaclty the same and if to upgrade later the customer pays only for one more card. thats is what I'm not understanding, if we keep a nvidia mombo then why advise an ati gpu instead othe 8800GTS 512MB nvidia? price is the same and the cards should be pretty much the same, if not for $30 more he can go with NVIDIA GeForce 9800GTX+ 512M. |
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 4:38pm |
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He really can't go to a 9800GTX+ and keep that power supply, so now we're even further away from the budget. At a minimum, you're looking at an upgrade to the 620HX. Realistically, it's better to run SLI 9800GTX+ with a 750W PSU.
Many people run a single GPU system, and sell, hand down, or throw away the graphics card when they buy a new *single* graphics card a year or two later. I said many, but what I really mean by that, is "the overwhelming majority".
The 8800GTS is a great card, and that's not a bad suggestion. If the intent is to run on a single graphics card, however, the HD4850 is a much more powerful card. if the intent is to upgrade to SLI 8800GTS later, you're still looking at upgrade to a 620HX PSU to be on the safe side. By "be on the safe side" I mean operate the PSU within it's best efficiency range and avoid premature replacement of the unit, and/or system instabilities while under intense graphics load.
If that is the intent however, at this budget range, my suggestion would be to go with an 8800GT and stick with the 550W PSU. This will allow for SLI, keeps the price down initially, and means the customer gets not only good performance up front, but the ability to upgrade with a minimum of hassle later. That is, provided the budget is firm, and not a ballpark figure.
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 5:29pm |
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what would you say is the eqauvilant of the HD4850 in nvidia?
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skyR
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 5:32pm |
4850 = 9800 GTX+ |
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 5:40pm |
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oy vay,thats a big difference
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 6:05pm |
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The "Gaming Dominator" and the "Benchmark Crusher" both have the P45 Chipset and X48 Chipset selections. (It's been over a month now).
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Bouke285
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 9:37pm |
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What do you guys think about this Build I'm going off of skys just changed the GPU. Because I will probably go SLi in the near future.
Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Antec 900 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 550W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.66GHz (1333MHz Front Side Bus) (6MB Cache) Motherboard: NVIDIA 750i SLI Core 2 Quad (Chipset: nForce 750i SLI) System Memory: 2GB DDR2 OCZ at 800MHz Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 160GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9800GTX+ 512MB TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty Edited by Bouke285 - 07 Sep 2008 at 9:37pm |
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 9:40pm |
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Will I beable to get buy without a quad core CPU?
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 9:59pm |
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I think the quad is better, specially since it has more cache.
your power supply will need to be higher. |
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:03pm |
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I need to stay under 1,500 for sure so if i keep this set up the one above will I beable to run games well? and will I beable to get by with the 550 watt power supply using only a duo?
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:05pm |
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psu you will need to go with 750W
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Bouke285
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:11pm |
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psu?
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:12pm |
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:15pm |
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So even if i stick with the duo i will need the 750W?
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:19pm |
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Ok I'll find a way to buy this build. I think I have finally decided Thanks for the help everyone.
One last thing Is it pretty easy to overclock my own CPU and memory if I follow a tutorial?
Or do i need to have it done here
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:20pm |
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for the NVIDIA GeForce 9800GTX+ 512MB you will better power. and if you want to add later you will need more power for sure.
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:21pm |
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Bouke, if you want to be able to run SLI in the future, I would strongly recommend increasing the rating on that power supply. If it isn't in your budget to go to at least the 650W unit listed, I would go to an 8800GT. Once you SLI, the performance difference will be very small between the two setups (SLI 9800GTX+ vs SLI 8800GT). A quad is not necessary. Dual cores work very well in the overwhelming majority of games today. Quads are better when it comes to a few game types like MMO's, but most games can't take full advantage of more than one or two cores. Bottom line, I would not sacrifice on other areas of your build to run a quad.
The closest I can come to getting in everything you want, and staying as close to your budget as possible is this build:
I did up the HDD to a 250GB model. The operating system, games, ..... pretty much everything now is taking up increasingly large amounts of hard drive real estate. That additional 100GB is both cheap, and IMO, a wise move.
The GPU I selected is the 8800GTS, which is in reality a 65nm 9800GTX+ (seriously. They upped the clock speeds, added tri SLI support, and called it a 9800GTX. Later, they gave it an optical die shrink, increased the clocks very slightly, and called it a "+"). I do still think the best bang for your buck is the 8800GT.
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:31pm |
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I stepped down to the 8800 GT and did a cpu overclock. Will that work good I can always upgrade to sli in the future or even quad core.
Final Final Build (Maybe)
Thanks to you all for your experties
Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Antec 900 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 650W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz (1333MHz Front Side Bus) (6MB Cache) Motherboard: NVIDIA 750i SLI Core 2 Quad (Chipset: nForce 750i SLI) System Memory: 2GB DDR2 OCZ at 800MHz Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 250GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: CLEARANCE PRICED: NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT 512MB TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty Edited by Bouke285 - 07 Sep 2008 at 10:32pm |
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:33pm |
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lets see your new ticket B2
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:36pm |
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I think you can fit in an E8400 at $1507 given those other moves. The better multiplier will really help that overclock.
Edit: I just reviewed your latest build and would not change a thing. I think you will be extremely pleased with that, both before and after adding a second 8800GT.  Edited by Tyler Lowe - 07 Sep 2008 at 10:37pm |
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Bouke285
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:43pm |
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My ticket now is 181162
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:45pm |
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Does the lighting inside the case take up enough power to have to worry about. Because I dont mind paying the xtra 10 for some cool lighting if it doesnt suck up too much power
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Posted: 07 Sep 2008 at 10:50pm |
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It's a cold cathode tube, and draws something silly like less than 5W. They also produce next to no heat. I have a cathode kit, and they do add a nice "cool" factor to the case. If I had it to do over, I would have gone with a UV kit instead of blue, which doesn't clash with any fan or system LED's and gives you that "blacklight" effect on all of the logos inside the case on things like your RAM, or SLI bridge (when you at it). Heck, they're cheap and easy to install, I may yet swap that out. Do keep in mind your case fan LEDs will be blue when making your color selection for the cathode kit.
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