BewilderedPost Date: 2020-08-03 |
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Bewildered
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Topic: Bewildered Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 1:48pm |
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3,000 Expectations: Homework and gaming. I’m a grandpa trying to help a 10 yr old buy his first pc. Would rather spend $ than have tech probs cause I know zero except a few recommendations I’ve read here. Usage: Fortnite and Minecraft are what he plays - he’s worried about “FPS“ whatever that may be. He knows a lot about the games from his PS4 but zero about PCs. Special Needs: Make sure it runs on home wifi and I don’t overspend on things that can be added later. Saved Ticket #: 3292845 Specifications: Total Price with Instant Savings: $3,326.00 Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lumos Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i9-10850K (5.2 GHz Turbo) (20-Thread) (10-Core) 3.6 GHz Motherboard: ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS / MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE (Intel Z490) (Up to 3x PCI-E) (No SLI) <br><strong></strong> System Memory: 32GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series Power Supply: 850W Corsair / EVGA / Thermaltake (Modular) (80 Plus Gold) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: - No Thanks Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (500GB Seagate FireCuda 520) (NVM Express) (Gen4 PCIe) <br><strong></strong> Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba / Hitachi) Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: Wireless - USB Dongle (Supports 802.11AC) (Dual Band) <br><strong></strong> Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB (VR Ready) <br><strong></strong> Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance) HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow) Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: Option Not Available Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install) Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10) Office: Microsoft Office 2019 Home & Student (PC Attach Key PKC Only, No Pre-install) <br><strong></strong> Mouse Pad: - No Thanks Display: ASUS 27 inch VG27AQ (G-SYNC) (2K Resolution) (165Hz Refresh) (1ms Response) (2560x1440) (HDR10) <br><strong></strong> Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: Digital Storm MasterKeys Lite Bundle (RGB) Keyboard & Mouse <br><strong></strong> Mouse: - No Thanks Branded Gear: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, 6 Week Ship Estimate After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) Many thanks for any help you can give me. |
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John18
Groupie Joined: 04 May 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 211 |
Quote Reply Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 2:43pm |
Will you adopt me as a grandkid?
I would downgrade to 16GB of RAM. It is easy to add another 16GB down the road. I would let them do the free Stage 1 CPU overclock. I would consider downgrading to the i7-10700K processor. I would consider upgrading to Windows 10 Professional for the extra $45.00 now. It will be more expensive if you do it later. One more thing. You are buying a case with a bling factor with the Lumos. The DS AIO cooler does bring bling. I wonder if you want to get case fans that are lighted and probably better because those games will generate chassis heat so in my head I can justify better fans. The chassis fans would be controlled by software while the DS AIO cooler and the radiator is controlled by a remote. The two different systems of lights are not synchronized. Personally I don't mind the conflict but I can see how others would. So ask others who do have the normal case fans how they do at taking out heat from a 2070 SUPER playing Fortnight or Minecraft. (I was astonished to learn that Minecraft is really GPU/CPU intensive. The game, to me, looked like 8-bit blocks from my old Atari 2600.) I want to see how this discussion evolves... |
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Cretae
DS Veteran Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7331 |
Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 4:30am |
I think you've done a very good job! I agree there's no need for any more than a 10700K CPU. There's really no difference for gaming and homework.
I also agree you don't need more than 16 GB of RAM. That sells like a commodity. It's pretty inexpensive just now, so it doesn't break the bank to get more, but it's a luxury. I also think your youngster will appreciate the Corsair LL Series case fans. Corsair has iCue software that gives you complete control. Were I you, I'd get the 10700K and 16Gb of RAM to pay for that eye candy. At least get the "Internal Lighting"...it's free. I even like the monitor you've chosen. It's a name brand, the most popular size, and has the features you want. The price is a good one. Be happy with that choice, IMHO. |
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Bewildered
Newbie Joined: 02 Aug 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 5:09am |
Thanks for the suggestions, I’ll make the changes. Some follow up questions:
1, the DS AIO - what is that, do I have it in my specs, is the remote included ? 2. With the upgraded fans, Can he turn off the lights while still running the fans if the lack of synchronization is bothersome ? 3. Will the system operate on reg 120 volt outlet or do I need addl power ? 4. Currently he uses wireless Wi-Fi. Will this system operate with that ? How do I make sure what minimum Wi-Fi speed is required ? How does the “dongle” I selected connect ? What is the optimal solution ? 5. Does the “motherboard”/chassis I selected provide enough “ports” for plugging in game controller, headset and a second monitor if he wants one later? 6. His life’s aim at 10 is to record his victories and post them on YouTube. 😳 Do I need a “video capture card” for that or is that handled by in game software? 7. How do I get local support once we plug all this in and it doesn’t operate to his satisfaction ? His parents know less than I about electronics. Thanks for you help!! |
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John18
Groupie Joined: 04 May 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 211 |
Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 7:58am |
1. You already have the DS AIO selected as your cooler.
2. Yes 3. The power supply gets power from your 120 volt AC power source, converts it to DC and it doles out the power to the components as required. Power Supply Explanation . 4. The motherboard that you selected takes in an Ethernet input from the router. You do have ports for a discrete Wi-Fi card that will fit in nicely below where they will put the video card. In your situation I would change your choice to "Wireless PCI-E (Supports 802.11ac) [+$14]" 5. Yes. There will be 8 USB ports (6 in the back and two up top), including a very nice USB-C port. (You buy an adapter for that port and you can run additional USB ports through it. I have it on a laptop and it makes life much easier plus most of them will have spots for SD and Micro SD cards.) Here is your motherboard. Motherboard 6. I'll let someone else answer this one since I don't create YouTube content. 7. You call Digital Storm Tech support and they walk you through it. Alternatively you take it to a local computer store. But, unless damaged in shipping, I can't imagine this not operating to his satisfaction. If that concerns him then he needs to learn enough about what is in the case to make a compelling reason why he needs a certain configuration now, before it is built, so you aren't replacing perfectly good parts just because he didn't know how he wanted it to operate. Good luck. |
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SnowandSand
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 10:35am |
For question 6: you don't need a capture card to record gameplay or stream games on your computer. Capture cards are used for capturing video from a game console(ie. Playstation or XBOX) or if you had a second PC that was dedicated to streaming. Your video card can capture and record the game play. I personally use G-Force experience(which is soft ware by NVIDIA) right now when recording game play and it is as easy as hitting alt+F9 to start and stop the recording. I would just suggest that you set the files to be stored on the 2TB drive and from there he can us whatever software to cut and edit his clips for YouoTube(I just stumbled my way through this myself recently lol) Also I agree with John18 that he should learn the basics of what the components do and how to do basicac maintenance to the system(ie. dusting out the case and fans), for which there are a plethora of videos about this on YouTube(its how I learned to build my current Custom dual loop setup). Edited by SnowandSand - 04 Aug 2020 at 10:38am |
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Hailstorm II(Retired)
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Bewildered
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 11:17am |
3. The power supply gets power from your 120 volt AC power source, converts it to DC and it doles out the power to the components as required. Power Supply Explanation .
Thx again John18 - the link for the power supply leads me back to my comment - can you resend, thx |
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Bewildered
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 11:23am |
I would just suggest that you set the files to be stored on the 2TB drive and from there he can us whatever software to cut and edit his clips for YouoTube(I just stumbled my way through this myself recently lol)
Also I agree with John18 that he should learn the basics of what the components do and how to do basicac maintenance to the system(ie. dusting out the case and fans), for which there are a plethora of videos about this on YouTube(its how I learned to build my current Custom dual loop setup).[/QUOTE] Thx SnowandSand - any recommendations on a YouTuber that is helpful - I notice in my brief forays on YT that there is a lot of pure crap being posted. |
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John18
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 12:11pm |
SnowandSand
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 12:27pm |
Thx SnowandSand - any recommendations on a YouTuber that is helpful - I notice in my brief forays on YT that there is a lot of pure crap being posted.[/QUOTE] Harris Heller who does this channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCATWC1JSlhzmYeDbjnS8WwA has alot of info about streaming and what not. AS far as info about video editing.. .not too sure I would just google how to do something in Adobe Premiere(Video editing software i use) when I needed to figure it out. As far a as maintenance? hmm there are a lot of tech YouTube'ers out there. I Follow some such as Gamers Nexus, Bitwit, Pauls Hardware, Greg Salazar and Linus Tech Tips when it comes to kinda seeing whats up with tech and build advice. Hope this helps! |
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Cretae
DS Veteran Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7331 |
Quote Reply Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 4:17am |
Just in case... a DS AIO is a Digital Storm (branded) All-In-One CPU cooler. It's all-in-one because the heatsink/pump attaches to the CPU and liquid coolant runs through the integrated hoses to the radiator and back. The radiator fans cool the coolant just like a car radiator works. All one apparatus, self-contained, and maintenance free. If it ever should leak (very rare), the liquid is non-conductive and should not damage any electronic parts. Should the pump or radiator fans ever fail and allow your CPU to overheat, the CPU will automatically shut down from excess temp.
This Forum will always try to have your back as well as we are able! You can google anything computer related, and usually find some useful You Tubes at the top of the list. |
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Bewildered
Newbie Joined: 02 Aug 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
Quote Reply Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 8:49am |
Many thanks for all the help guys.
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Bewildered
Newbie Joined: 02 Aug 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
Quote Reply Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 4:05pm |
Of course, there is a danger in the ignorant (me) reading random threads and picking up bits and pieces but I read this on another forum and wondered how to determine if it impacts what I’ve specified: “ Except they dont tell you the motherboard in the system only supports 2400 ram speed.I bought mine with a 2080 TI and an I9-9900K, it is CRIMINAL that they limit folks to 2400 ram speed, and that's NOT MENTIONED.“ |
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Cretae
DS Veteran Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7331 |
Quote Reply Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 4:16am |
Is that a quote about Digital Storm? The only thing DS doesn't "tell you" is that you can click "More Info" on any item in the Configurator because they believe it to be self-evident, and self-explanatory! If you do that about your mobo, you get a plethora of info and specs, including the fact it will run up to 4600MHz RAM. (3000-3200 is the sweet spot for these gaming CPUs.)
In addition, 2400 MHz RAM for gaming is hardly "criminal". Faster RAM may allow your CPU to process more efficiently, but gaming is not very CPU intensive, so 2400 instead of, say, 3000 RAM speed would not make a great impact. So, the answer to how to determine what impacts what is: click "More Info"; ask us here (cuz we know stuff sometimes); or ask DS directly. |
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Bewildered
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Quote Reply Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 5:16am |
Thx Cretae, no the comment was in reference to the HP Omen but since I didn’t understand it I thought I better ask. I find the info on this forum to be much more informative. Another potential bottleneck I’m concerned about is internet speed. Is there a sweet spot for that or is the speed of the game most dependent on the DS hardware ? My grandson has ATT Direct TV wireless. Thanks for the advice. |
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Cretae
DS Veteran Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7331 |
Quote Reply Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 5:45am |
The internet connection is the limiting factor. How good your wireless router is. I have a crummy 28 Mbps, (Mega BITS, not BYTES per second) and don't worry about it. It streams video just fine, and allows multiple online connections at my house. Find out what ATT Direct advertises. I think anything over 25 Mbps is considered "broadband". There shouldn't be a problem, but if there is, it's more likely to be the provider. ATT Direct's website may have a utility that measures your connection speed. If not, you can find one online. Google "Internet speed test". DO NOT BE SURPRISED IF IT IS NOT WHAT THEY ADVERTISE!! Happens all the time. Good enough is good enough.
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Bewildered
Newbie Joined: 02 Aug 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
Quote Reply Posted: 07 Aug 2020 at 9:30am |
Also confused by all the discussion concerning heating. Obviously electronic components would deteriorate if they are “overheated”. But I I’m confused about the relevant range - to a simpleton like myself, I wouldn’t think there is any difference to the components anywhere between say 32F and 90F. I’ve never seen any news about computers breaking down in warm climates or outperforming in cold climates. What is the real deal ?
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Snaike
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Aug 2020 at 10:04am |
CPU/GPUs heat is measured in °C, not °F.. so when you see folks talking about staying under 80° it means under 176°F...
Rarely will <140°F ever be a concern.... |
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