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Post Date: 2008-06-22

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    Posted: 22 Jun 2008 at 6:01pm
Hey everyone. As I'm putting more and more dinero into my "big-rig fund", I've come across a dilemma of sorts, and without further ado...

Here's my situation, I love video games (FPS's and MMO's to be exact), and care nothing for photoshop or flight simulator or downloading bit torrents while C++ing while chatting while web-in-ar-ing" and all that jazz. Just games like Crysis and AoC, thats it. (including what lies ahead).

Lets say money wasn't an issue (reasonableness and common sense still are).

For me, the only difference between getting a $2500 middleweight rig which can definitely laugh in the face of anything today's games can throw and a $3750 nasa spaceship is a month or so of saving. And patience and time are qualities I possess.

I've read tons of articles saying that CPUs are surpassing game demands and 8gigs of dominator ram aren't really making a difference and SLI's are for folks with HDTV's. So could a $2500 middleweight computer keep me at the cutting edge for 2-4years w/o upgrading or should I just bite the bullet and drop that extra grand to secure my place in the leaderboards?

Thanks for your advice and input, and if you'd like to drop rig setups to convey your point, or (pretty please) use specific examples to better paint this picture. I understand where things are headed (like ddr3 will be the new hotness) but I just can't decide wether safe could mean sorry.

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  Quote skyR Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jun 2008 at 7:45pm
Assuming cutting edge meaning high res + max eye candy. You will never be able to keep up unless you upgrade at least twice a year. Just look at Crysis for example, it dominated everything on release and it still gives a hard time for even the current gen multi-GPU setups.

Everyone's going to have a different opinion on DDR2 vs DDR3. DDR3 makes no sense to me if you aren't overclocking your CPU to 5GHz+ or like to waste $100 more for one extra FPS. But some people think its worth it.

Most high resolution gaming is bottlenecked by the GPU but low resolution gaming is bottlenecked by the CPU.

SLI isn't needed unless you play at 1600x1200 resolution+

This would be my suggestion: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=159045

I would also wait a couple days just to see how the Radeon HD4870 stacks up to the GTX 280. But if you had to order now, I'd go for 2x Radeon HD4850 but that's just me... some people prefer to stick to shell out the money for GTX 280.
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  Quote Bill the Cat Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jun 2008 at 10:10pm
I guess you'd have to call my DSO computer a middle weight. I went with a cheezy 8800 GTS with 360 Meg or RAM; not to be confused with the newer faster 512 Meg version. However, it's got a pretty fast CPU a big powersupply and TJ9 case. It's got the power, space and cooling to drop in much nastier GPU when it becomes necessary. Since I don't play games at resolutions higher than 1280x1024, I'm happy even playing Crysis.
 
If I were you, I'd get a middle weight machine now. That way you can play some games while you saving up for that pair of killer GPUs and the 30 inch monitor.
 
Of course, you can't really answer this question without taking into account how adequate or inadequate your current computer is.
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jun 2008 at 11:27pm
as was already said you'll never stay ahead of the curve without constantly upgrating, the best you can do is put together a solid machine that will last you at least 2 years, likely more unless you have to be at the top of the performance charts all the time, for a $2500 range i'd mostly go witk skyRs suggestions, however id opt for the lightscribe drive and ram tweak, possibly even step up to the 850i case and 4gb @ 1066, but price:performance ratio does, unfortunately bottom out around 2500, most of the things i mentioned would just be for a little extra punch
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  Quote ArmourBrad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 5:58am
pretty interesting, I'm glad (well, my wallet's glad) that there isn't much overwhelming push for a pricey rig.

A quick update to answer some of those questions. I like to have the best balance of eyecandy with zero drops of frames, which essentially is having my cake and eating it too, but isn't that why we buy custom rigs and not (what I currently have now) $500.00 "my old rig blew up and I need something to get me to gmail.com"

Also, I have a Hp w1907

I plan to buy within a month or two. (est date August 7th). But that date would put me at a cap of 2800.00 while waiting until early fall could open up plenty of doors.

Plug and play hooplah upgrading seems to be the answer, but aside from ram and wireless cards me and my previous motherboards haven't dated too much. Is it tough to switch processors or GPUs?

bjt


ps. some small part of me is still tugging at that bigfoot NIC has anyone heard anything positive?
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 8:11am
it will always be the case that the longer you wait to buy the better hardware you can grab; unless there is a huge hardware jump right around the corner (like the new gtx cards that just came out) waiting for very long will be a futile mistake
 
as far as the bigfoot cards are concerned you can look up some reviews and see if you can convince yourself that its worth the cash, but i cant say that i've heard anything that would have me consider getting any sort of ping booster
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 12:15pm
Originally posted by ArmourBrad


Plug and play hooplah upgrading seems to be the answer, but aside from ram and wireless cards me and my previous motherboards haven't dated too much. Is it tough to switch processors or GPUs?

bjt


ps. some small part of me is still tugging at that bigfoot NIC has anyone heard anything positive?
 
Switching a CPU definitely has more risk attached, and is really something that is best learned from someone else that has done it before.It's possible to kill the CPU fairly easily if you mess that up. By the time you need to upgrade a CPU odds are very good that the new chip won't fit on your old motherboard anyway (unless you go AMD, and even then, the future is far from certain).
 
Upgrading a GPU is very easy if you are air cooled. Remove power PCI-e connections (sometimes), push a tab, pull it from a socket, then run through the same steps in reverse with a new card. Very easy.
 
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