[Budget $1500-$1650] Looking To Buy Soon.Post Date: 2008-09-27 |
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Karma 
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 Topic: [Budget $1500-$1650] Looking To Buy Soon.Posted: 27 Sep 2008 at 8:18am |
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I'm VERY interested in buying A gaming pc from digital storm based on reseller reviews and others.
The Facts: - I have A budget of $1500 ($1650 max) - I will not be ordering the pc until towards the end of this month or starting next. - My Current Monitor is "19" Samsung SyncMaster 997DF (Black, Silver) - This is my current system except i upgraded ram only and vc... http://www.shopping.com/xPF-E-Machines-Desktop-with-Intel-Pentium-4-Processor-2-8GHz-T4892 So as you can see... even something within that budget will leave my current rig in the dust. However I am great full to even have A pc because I know many people don't. I plan to give this one away to A friend who does not have one or clear it into A school computer for my daughter. I Would Love for my Digital Storm PC To Be: - Silent (My free time means much to me when wife and kid are sleep..seriously..) - No liquids (I never was A fan of anything wet in a computer) - No OC's (well maybe for performance.. I heard its good to have?) - Able to Read/Write. - Windows XP Pro (I never liked vista.. Not saying its bad now.. just I want xp =p) - ATI Radeon 4850 HD or 70 card single. (Charts show they beat out higher priced cards or rival) - Digital Storm 750si Case (I just like the case lol... but if i have to change ok.) - Intel based machine (Intel is now winning imo) Please everybody reading... I'm looking for the best build in my budget range and possibly with what I was asking for. I'm already happy because I know it will be better then this ol E-Machine I have now...lol. I posted this early to recieve the most out of suggestions I can before ordering. Many thanks in advance and I will continue to be A consumer here. Edited by Karma - 27 Sep 2008 at 8:22am |
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Kliebor2
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Posted: 27 Sep 2008 at 11:46am |
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To stick with your desires we can just fit a machine with a 4870 and a mid line dual core processor it will not include a monitor but it is just under 1500 dollars. That budget does limit you, but this PC will do quite well in every current game.
This is the baseline best bang for the buck configuration updated with a 4870 graphics card and the ram upgraded to OCZ DDR2. As well as giving you Windows XP as you wanted. http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=187834 Specs as in the above Build: Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Digital Storm 750Si Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 650W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz (1333MHz Front Side Bus) (6MB Cache) Motherboard: NVIDIA 750i SLI Core 2 Quad (Chipset: nForce 750i SLI) System Memory: 2GB DDR2 800MHz OCZ Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows XP Media Center 2005 (Includes Service Pack 2) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: Microsoft Multimedia Desktop 3.0 (Multimedia Keyboard + Optical Wheel Mouse) Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty |
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Digital Storm 950Si - Q9450 Quad Core @ 3 Ghz
Dual PNY OC2 GTX 560Ti 8 Gigabytes DDR2/800 2 Western Digital 500 GB SATAII 7200 RPM HD |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 27 Sep 2008 at 4:29pm |
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ok let me explain a few things:
1. silent = liquid cooling, this is not water, if this liquid spills in your systme nothing will happen. 2. there is nothing wrong with OC, payless get more 3. xp can't use all of the things you are paying for vista can, this is not xp 64 bit, its vista 64bit very few things now don't run on the vista 64bit. 4. the 260 gtx kills ati 47xx 5. 750i? come on, the hap is a better case and will save you money on cooling. 6. if you choose a 750i and go with ati card you will not be able to take advantage of 2 cards or sli unless you pay doulbe, sli = nvidia, corssfire = ati. so here is the deal get this pc, you can add graphic cards to it later if you want, you can make much more powerfull in a year or so for a fraction of a price. Its a quad core here you go Ticket# 187902 --- Price: $1635 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 750W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.5GHz (1333MHz FSB) (6MB Cache) Motherboard: NVIDIA 750i SLI Core 2 Quad (Chipset: nForce 750i SLI) System Memory: 4GB DDR2 667MHz Corsair Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty call this order and ask them to give you OCZ 667 ram instead of corsair  that should save a few bucks more.
if you can do this, this one you can update with 2 gpu no problem and start with a better ram speed. here you go Ticket# 187925 --- Price: $1789 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 860W PC Power & Cooling (ESA Edition) (Dual SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.5GHz (1333MHz FSB) (6MB Cache) Motherboard: NVIDIA 750i SLI Core 2 Quad (Chipset: nForce 750i SLI) System Memory: 4GB DDR2 800MHz OCZ Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty with this one, in a year or so when a qx9770 3.2GHz will cost much less then it does now and the nvidia gtx 260 will cost probably $80 at the most, you can update your system for fraction of what it is now and it will be a nice beast. ram prices for ddr2 will be down also so you can update those also if you like, if not, its not that big of a deal, it does help OC tho. Edited by DST4ME - 27 Sep 2008 at 6:41pm |
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 27 Sep 2008 at 9:53pm |
Karma, we share a few things in common. I was exactly where you're at in this process one year ago, and want to assure you, you are at the right place if you want to be sure you're getting the best construction quality possible for your dollar.
Let's look at your requests for this build:
1. Silent.
OK. We can't do silent with this budget, but we can come close. The loudest piece of equipment is likely to be the graphics card cooler, the rest of the system we can make extremely quiet.
2. The 750i. I have one. I advise against it. When I ordered my system, I ordered the 750i and it was out of stock. Alex offered me a discounted price on the 950i at the time since it could have been months 'til the case I requested got back in stock, and I really do wish I had taken him up on that offer. It's the only part of my purchase I regret.
The Reasons?
a. Poor air circulation and cooling. b. Size. It's a mid tower, and therefore very limited in terms of being able
to upgrade with additional hardware later.
I love the appearance, it's classic, elegant, and understated. It really is not very good at what it was designed to do however. My advise is to stay clear of this case.
3. No OC's.
Overclocking the CPU is the budget limited buyer's ace in the hole. I get performance in line with a non overclocked extreme chip of the same generation as my Q6600, and I paid 10% of the price for it. Take advantage of this. Get the most for your dollar, and let Digital Storm do the heavy lifting and pay for the overclock so they can garantee that overclocked system for 3 full years.
4. Able to read and write.
Not a problem.
5. XP.
I used to be in this same camp. I strongly advise a movve to 64 bit at this time. A year ago, the situation was less clear than it is now. 64 bit OS is the way to go over 32 bit, and Vista is the best option for this. I used to dual boot XP Home 32 and Vista 32 bit Premium. When I decided to make the move to 64 bit, i kept the Vista install in preference over the XP. You will simply be amazed at the ease with which Vista runs on a modern system. I will say no more on this, XP is still available if you still want to stick with that.
6.ATI card.
It's a personal preference thing and charts rarely tell the full story, but either of those cards will serve you very well. I would probably opt for a 9800GTX+ over a 4850, but mainly for the improved cooling as the cards offer nearly identical performance. Given the pricing in the configurator, I would opt for the less expensive GTX260. The only hitch with the GTX260 is the fans are a touch loud, which goes to item #1.
7. Intel machine.
No brainer there. easily the best CPU's available today.
Your best bet for as close to silent as possible is the HAF case. It uses 220mm fans which move a good amount of air without excessive noise. The larger a fan is, the lower the rpm required to achieve any given CFM rating. 220mm fans will always be more quiet than 120mm fans tasked to move the same amount of air if all other factors are equal.
I am going to suggest going to the limit on that budget. I did the same, and trust me when I say that the $150 difference buys alot more when added to $1500 than it does when added to systems that cost twice as much.
So, here's my suggestion:
I would opt for DST4ME's first build. The build I came up with was so close to that that I think it would be better to focus on what has been suggested in DST's post. The two things I don't like are the RAM and the OC. If you can't swing at least 800MHz RAM, I would not pay for an OC. Personally, if my budget would not allow for both, I would get the better RAM and upgrade the HDD to a 500GB instead of paying for an overlcock. You can always overclock later yourself. If you don't adjust voltage levels, the risk is zero and the gains can be very good. It would still be preferable to have DSO do the OC, and I do still suggest this, but if budget forces that choice, IMO, drop the OC and do it yourself. Edited by Tyler Lowe - 27 Sep 2008 at 9:57pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 27 Sep 2008 at 10:01pm |
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I understand your point about no oc and instead higher ram, but here is what I was thinking, even with the 667 ram you can oc that cpu to 2.7/2.8 GHz, which then makes the pc faster then the stock 2.5GHz with 800MHz ram.
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 27 Sep 2008 at 11:15pm |
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Honestly IMO, it's better at that point to just goose the FSB speed a little on your own. Paying for both is more likely to land you a little over 3GHz, but tweaking the FSB speed is pretty easy and 800MHz RAM is good enough to overclock 1600MHz FSB. (1600/4 = 800/2 so they are speed matched). This is exactly enough to hit 3.0GHz. 3GHz is a decent clock speed, and should be attainable without exceeding Intel specifications for volts or operating temps. DDR2 667 on the other hand, is a base speed of 667/2, or ~333. The multiplier of this CPU is 7.5.... I'm not saying you won't be able to OC the RAM a little and possibly get higher than 2.5GHz out of it, but you're much, much better off with the better RAM.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 27 Sep 2008 at 11:26pm |
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No disagreement on the fact that higher speed ram is better in this case, it just a matter of cost.
if he knows how to OC then for sure what you are saying is the way to go 
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 27 Sep 2008 at 11:56pm |
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Even if he doesn't.
I'll put it this way: I'd drop the overclocking if I could not swing 800MHz RAM. The Q9300 is already at a FSB match with DDR 667, and I mean base clock matchup, not the pumped speeds, which leaves no room at all to overclock.
667/2 = 333
333 * 4 = 1333
333 * 7.5 = 2.5 GHz.
If you haven't done much, or even any overclocking this might not be readily apparent, but do you understand what I'm getting at after looking at those figures? That is the max FSB I would expect to support without a RAM bottleneck, which is also exactly 2.5 GHz CPU speed.
I understand exactly why you went that way with the RAM based on the budget, it's just not a speed that will support overclocking much, or maybe even at all with that CPU. The starting FSB speed is simply too high. Even if you didn't want to upgrade anything including the RAM, I would pocket the $50 rather than pay for an overclock that might not be for more than 100Mhz. The second point, is you can learn to overclock, and rather quickly if all you want is a moderate increase in speed. No matter how much you read, you can't turn a lower binned RAM into a higher binned RAM.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 12:00am |
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I see what you mean, the numbers just are not there to make it worth the OC, makes perfect sense, where as the 800 will get you 3.0 with CPU as you said earlier
ok Karma, then replace the first build with this one: here you go Ticket# 188030 --- Price: $1626 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 750W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 2.5GHz (1333MHz FSB) (6MB Cache) Motherboard: NVIDIA 750i SLI Core 2 Quad (Chipset: nForce 750i SLI) System Memory: 4GB DDR2 800MHz OCZ Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty Edited by DST4ME - 28 Sep 2008 at 12:05am |
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Karma
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Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 1:34am |
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thanks for the professional comment's and suggestion's. As of right now I'm still waiting for more configure suggestion's within my budget range. I never did mention what I will be using the PC for so hopefully this will help. I did manage to make A build based on suggestions.
Mostly Used For: - 75% games - 15% net - 10% burning Quad Vs Duo - Well I stuck with the Duo because I only see quads being used for severe multitasking (video editing ext ext) or large data transfers between folders. It's not really (to me at least) A large waiting period between the two unless it's a lot of data then the quad shows it's power over the duo. So I picked the best Intel Core Duo 2 Processor on the list for the suggested Motherboard. XP vs Vista - I don't think this feud will ever end and ultimately It comes down to user preferences and future proofing. The thing I notice with Vista is that it boosted hardware sales forming a large negative cloud when it first came out even to this day with converting over user's and forcing sales on it by removing XP boxes from the shelves do to the lack of sales (or large volume of returned Os's due to the requirements) for the lesser greater (imo). It had given many developers to make there software compatible (and that's still going on). The 64 bit seems top be the next gen in games and applications using it's power but I don't think that the quality and performance will be neglected to much with 32 bit users because there feeding off the same market. In the masked (overlooked) owners market I think there's more in the 32's then the 64's. Although 64-bit is the future winner It's surely really not the present winner and that future is looking far off still to me. So windows xp will be my finale choice because... RAM - Nothing wrong with having more for such a little price more  . So I boosted it up to 4gb's OCZ. And with the OS I picked out I don't see much resources hogging it. I don't even think CPU Usage will top level.Power Supply - I didn't Change this because 750w is still pretty darn good. Chassis - I read good new's about the HAF 932 air cooling and upgrade ability's. Also the sample comparison's back that up. So HAF 932 will be my case of choice for my budget. Video Card(s) - I still don't know about this. I know for fact the GTX 260 is a top card but with SLI compatibility 2x's lower card's are reaching (sometimes passing) single top card ability's for less price. My mind is yelling at me to just get the ati over the gtx. I guess I need more proof and comments on this. For now I did keep in the GTX 260. So all in finale I came up with: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 750W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 3.33GHz (1333MHz Front Side Bus) (6MB Cache) Motherboard: NVIDIA 750i SLI Core 2 Quad (Chipset: nForce 750i SLI) System Memory: 4GB DDR2 800MHz OCZ Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional (Includes Service Pack 2) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty Total: $1653 ($3 dollars over budget lol...What do you all think?) |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 1:54am |
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The problem with the 750 PSU is that if you are going add a graphic card down the road, the 750 may not cover what you need.
you can go with 2 x 9800gt cards but then you got 2 cards producing heat and 2 x 9800gt will never keep-up with 2 x 260 gtx down the road. Also we are not here to convince you, its your system, we just advise you on what we would do if we had your budget. Edited by DST4ME - 28 Sep 2008 at 1:56am |
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