Building My Own Computer. need advice.Post Date: 2011-05-30 |
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CoolCaleb780
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Topic: Building My Own Computer. need advice.Posted: 30 May 2011 at 1:01pm |
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[$950] Expectations: [We want this rig to double as an HTPC and a minor gaming rig with games that graphically aren't that high. Mainly EA Games such as Need for Speed Hot Pursuit! It will also need to be an excellent multitasker] Usage: [Stated above.] Special Needs: [Please Type Here] Specifications: [I am planning on actually building my own gaming rig but it won't need to play a lot of harder graphical games at the moment. Perhaps in later years. #1: a 2TB HDD will be the only drive internally for now. We have external backup drives so I'm not concerned about space. #2: Intel core i3 2100 3.1ghz (how much does the processor effect the overall gameplay? I've read reviews of people using this CPU for a gaming rig and they have few complaints. #3: Windows 7 Proffecional 64-bit (how much does the OS effect gaming also? Would it be worth my money just to get Home Premium?) #4: Asus P8P67 PRO. I really don't need all the of bonus features that comes with the DELUXE but will those features effect overall performance? #5: EVGA GTX 460 SE. Not too concerned about this. It fits my needs according to specs and reviews. We'll start off with just one, but eventually get a second and run SLI. Running at max resolution via projector system! #6: Corsair 850TX. Will I need to upgrade this run SLI in the future? #7: Corsair VENGENCE 8GB (2X4GB) 1600MHZ DDR3] Edited by CoolCaleb780 - 30 May 2011 at 1:12pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 6:09pm |
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before I respond to all your questions, I'm gonna give you some info or ask you a question on it, as its not making sense to me now.
As far as HTPC goes, that pretty much is just about any pc. 1. your hdd choice is not making sense to me, the preferred setup is like this: HDD1 = fast small drive: os/apps/games HDD2 = regular large drive: media/personal/work file storage in other words ssd for hdd1 and 1TB BC or 2TB BC for storage as hdd2, or instead of that, one of your externals as hdd2. 2. the brain of your pc is the cpu, its the first and most important part of your overall performance, no matter what your needs are, I would go with a 2600k, multitasking/multi apps environment hands down the 2600K wins. Also one mistake everybody makes is that they look at benches and assume that is the performance they get, which is not true, a bench is not running the same things as our pc, we have got many other things running in the background, however much a 2600K beats the 2100 at in multi tasking on a test bench, you can be sure that the difference will be bigger on our pc with our use. Another mistake is thinking the results you see from the bench is how your pc will perform for a few years, not true, you have to take into account that apps/games/etc will be come more demanding and need more power, as this happens you will see a bigger and bigger difference between say a 2500k and 2600k, so don't think hey these 2 cpus are looking like they do the same in this game, so that should stay the same, not true, other stuff running in the background will make a difference and as resource demands becomes higher, your performance will drop, the stronger brain you chose, the less performance drop you will notice. 3. Home Premium is just fine unless: a. you need remote connection to your pc b. you need to use more then 16GB of ram total, this includes your vram , so say one needs 16GB of ram and have sli 570 gtx, the sli 570 has total of 3GB of ram and that plus the 16GB system ram brings us to a total of 19GB of ram, with Home Premium 64bit you only 16GB total, Pro and ultimate see 128GB total. c. you need xpmode to run some apps that you can only run in a 32bit xp. 4. pro is fine, you would want a 3.9GHz - 4.4GHZ oc anyways for your use. 5. you got some flaws with your plan: a. 460 is not a great choice now indays. b. by the time you are ready to go sli with that gpu, you won't find it on the market, after about 2 years or so now in-days, gpus are discontinued. 6. Don't get the 850tx, get the AX or HX, with those you can run sli 580 if you wanted, the TX is not that great of a line for the 850, the HX and AX are the ones known around for their performance/quality/reliability. 7. checkout mushkin and see if you can get the same specs or better for same price or lower, 1600MHz is the choice spot, latency of 8 or better is what you are looking for, but keep in mind you won't notice the difference in latency for your use. So for the ones that you need more info on, respond to my comment on it and tell me what you think about what I said, and we will take it from there, and get you where you need to go. |
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CoolCaleb780
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 8:27pm |
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Laugh if you must, but our gaming doesn't extend to far from Darkspore, Sims, Need For Speed and other games similar to that. Our parents don't allow us to play FPS games. So I'm not looking for parts to stay up to date with. Right now, we've purchased a pre-built HP desktop with an AMD Athalon x2 3.1Ghz and an ATI Radeon HD 3000.... not too great...
The purpose here is to spend as little money as possible and get last years technology to get the games we play actually playable! We bought that computer hoping it would work with our games, and it does... with everything set to low. We'd like to be able to use these games on their highest graphics at max resolutions of 1600p. An I3 would be a major upgrade right? And a GTX 460 is probably more then enough GPU power correct? The highest "suggested graphics card" in our collection of games is a 480. Please note we can only spend $1000 at the most. As far as the PSU goes, I understand that it is cheap, but still has good enough quality. Not trying to diss your suggestions, as those parts you mentioned make the utmost sense to me and I would prefer to get those, but can't due to lack of money. |
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 10:06pm |
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ok but how long you want to play those games? as I mentioned as the need for other apps running on your pc gets higher and they will, your performance drops.
As far as psu goes, I never mentioned it was cheap, as I said the 850w AX and HX are known for performance/quality/reliability, the 850 tx is not known for that. I think the point is the build a reliable pc for teh cheapest possible, and not just the cheapest possible, otherwise you gonna endup with a headache, and not a pc. what res are you gonna be gaming at? I don't know if 460 is too low or too high, a 560 is a better choice then the 460, in the long run, but I assume either is enough cause those games don't need lot of juice. I think your best bet to save a little more and build something that will run most of the time instead of headache most of the time. you didn't comment on the hdd situation, which seems like a place some money can be saved, what mobo you going with? and dont' say msi. |
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CoolCaleb780
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Posted: 30 May 2011 at 10:35pm |
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We will probably use the computer for the next three years at the least.... In the long run, what you say makes sense, but due to amazon's prices I really couldn't add all of that... I tried newegg and a couple of others the prices were either the same or higher. Where did you shop?
As for HDD, I would like to get a 40GB ssd for the OS and a 1-2TB drive for everything else. But once again, expensive. As for Mobo, I've selected the ASUS P8P67 PRO (as there was no real difference with the pro and deluxe) which does support SLI as far as I know. I would like to get a GTX 560 but they are nearly double the price of the 460 on Amazon. Again, Where were you shopping at? The prices I saw looked really good! 2560X1600 is preferable for the res. This would mainly be for the Need For Speed games and a couple of others. |
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Posted: 31 May 2011 at 2:25am |
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At that res we recommend a 570 with option to go sli, again only if sli is supported by the games you play, so you have a monitor that does that res?
if you click, on my image from last post you will see in that config I have everything, just change mobo to ASUS P8Z68-V PRO, it can do sli and price is very low. My pic of my cart from last post is from newegg it has everything but the ssd, its got the 922, 8Gb of ram, the corsair 850w hx which is like getting the 1000w corsair as far as power and reliability goes, you got the noctua cooler for great oc and temps, you got a 560 gtx, 2600k, all at around $1050. All ssds are not the same, there are only a few that are reliable and good, intel 320 is the current one, and the one we recommend, however win7 64bit needs 20GB itself, people with 80GB for os/apps/games are running out of room, but that is mainly due to the size of the games, if your games are not more then 20GB in total, 80GB intel 320 is what you want, you can always add teh ssd in a few months or so, so don't be in a rush to get a slower smaller drive. |
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Posted: 31 May 2011 at 2:43am |
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With Newegg it is all about taking advantage of the discounts, combos, and promo codes. Some of the combos and promo codes stack and some do not. Sign up for their e-mail newsletter for sure.
DST can give a thumbs up or down on the brands. Just as an example, right now with power supplies COUGARMAY11 takes off 15% for Cougar brand PSUs, and PCPOWER15FS takes 15% off PC Power and Cooling. Corsairs will have deals and codes pretty often as well. Those two in particular stack with combo deals. Just scroll to the bottom of the item page to where it says buy together and save and click browse more combos. Just a few weeks ago you could combine the HAF 922 with a fair amount of options. Although that isn't the case right now, it changes often. |
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Posted: 31 May 2011 at 2:49am |
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Just to point out my config that came to $1050 did not have any combos in it but KLPATS is correct if you take your time you can get combos that will save you even more then the $1050 I arrived at, only problems is that sometimes some of the combo parts make the combo worthless.
For psus I like corsair hx/ax models and pc power and cooling is another good brand. |
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Posted: 31 May 2011 at 1:41pm |
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This Newegg cart is for example's sake. The grand total that is not in the picture at the bottom of the page is $923.18. That total is with two promo codes. EMCKEGJ47 takes $10.00 off the graphics card and PCPOWER15FS takes $18.00 off the PSU. There are also $40.00 in rebate cards that would be added onto the savings.
Again, this is purely an example. I will be on here in a few months asking for advice on a DS build myself, so I am not an authority on the quality of a particular product. I am not giving a stamp of approval or disapproval to any of those products. I am just showing the level of discount that can be had on a case that is near the HAF922's price, and the same goes for the ram and other items. You can also wait on open box items like the MB in DST's posted picture. That opens up the opportunity to pair up the processor, or case, or ram, or whatever with something else. If you were to get a full cart like this and then go through the checkout and certain discounts disappear, the solution to that would be to just place multiple orders. I would imagine that would work.
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Posted: 31 May 2011 at 1:56pm |
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Since this thread is about for configuration advice on a Digital Storm build, I'm going to move it to the Hardware Discussion forum.
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CoolCaleb780
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 2:08pm |
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Thank you guys so much for your input. I'll be attempting to put together a PC on Newegg.
I have but one more question. More one of curiosity then anything else (as I prefer the 2600K myself) but what are your thoughts on Core i5 second gen? I've read reviews of average consumers and gamers and they all give it decent reviews but I've never been to sure about processors under the Core i7. |
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Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 5:58pm |
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The brain of your pc is your cpu, the more powerful it is today, the more powerful it will be tomorrow, if one user that has never used a 2600k likes the 2500k, that does not really mean anything, plus future performance should be kept in mind and not just today's performance, so yes they are very decent cpus, but as time goes on, you will see the 2600k separate itself more from the i5.
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