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    Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 8:47am
Budget:
3k+/- less being better of course

Expectations:
Up to date system I can expect another 5 to 10 years from. New to forum and not terribly skilled from a technical standpoint (compared to what I read on these forums)

Usage:
"Less" gaming then when originally steered toward DS (Life!), though the right release could always change that and for the right price being able to ultimately experience VR or other developing technologies would be a preference. General computing work/finance, music library and photo storage from travels, could easily see wanting to run full home entertainment and security from the system.

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Am perfectly happy with my HAF case and am looking for advice as to whether I should/can upgrade by plugging new components into it or simply start with a new build. Still running Windows 7 and necessary upgrade to 10 will overtax my 2012 build as best as I can tell. Also recognize that many components have lasted seven years and probably have an expected life.

Saved Ticket #: Initial effort at a new build

https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=2614745

Specifications:
current rig:
System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS Maximus IV Extreme (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue) System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black) Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (180GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 520 Series) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition) Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 2GB (Includes PhysX) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Phanteks PH-TC14PE Extreme Performance
H20 Tube Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
CPU Boost: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro or Deluxe Series Motherboard) Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Memory Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: Microsoft Office 2010 Office Home and Business (PC Attach Key PKC)
2614745

Any assistance or useful thoughts greatly appreciated
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  Quote ShrikeArghast Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 2:09pm
How are you even getting these options on the configurator on Digital Storm? I can't bring some of those things up.

Problems with your WIP build:

- Old(ish) video card.
- Extremely small SSD to the point of uselessness (your overall storage amount is puny).
- Air-cooled rig.

The cpu isn't bad at all, though.

Edited by ShrikeArghast - 06 Oct 2019 at 2:12pm
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 2:20pm
Well Reagan....I have had 4 DS rigs since 2011 and I can tell you that it is definitely time for you to build a new 2019 rig if you wish to experience VR and all the latest performance improvements.   Your old P67 rig has done well but it’s memory, board, and processor are all bottlenecks to current levels of performance.    I am confident you can get a great new build for that budget that should again serve you well for another 7-8 yrs.   Here are a couple suggested builds for you...both use the exact same components...just in 2 different cases. The Lumos uses the excellent tempered glass Corsair 570X case...while the Velox uses a DS designed case which puts the door on the opposite (right) side and the motherboard is upside down. Both builds top $3k and with the DS Sale that gets you $300 off the price.     Shipping is free.

Both builds use the excellent Intel i7-9700K CPU fully Overclocked for top end performance.    I used the ASUS Z390 ROG Strix H ATX motherboard, but the ASUS Z390 ROG Maximus XI Hero would be a comparable level mobo to what you have had before and it also has built in WI-FI if you need it for +$190.    

One big performance advance is the M.2 NVME SSD Drive1 that is 5 times faster than normal SATA III speed drives, as it uses the faster PCIE bus on the motherboard.   Your mobo will have 2 drive slots for M.2 NVME SSD’s that are about the size of a pocket comb.    

Both builds would be very strong for gaming and the RTX 2080 Super video card would allow you to have great gaming performance on fast refresh rate 1080P, 1440P or even 4K displays...and would also allow you to try out VR.    Moving up to the industry best RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GPU would cost an additional +$573 and you don’t sound like you will need that level of performance.    As RAM is quite inexpensive right now I used 32 GB RAM in both builds with the future in mind...but for gaming 16 GB is still all that is actually required.

Lumos Build1. Config # 2616288. $3362 - DS Sale $300 off = $3062

Corsair Crystal Series 570X Mid Tower ATX case
Intel i7-9700K 8 core / 8 thread CPU ...DS Overclocked to Stage 2
Corsair H115i sealed no maintenance 280 mm CPU cooler
ASUS Z390 ROG Strix H ATX motherboard
32 GB Corsair DDR4 RGB RAM (RAM is very cheap now)
Drive1 - 500 GB Samsung Evo Plus M.2 NVME SSD
Drive2 - 3 TB Toshiba-Hitachi HHD
NVidia RTX 2080 Super 8 GB VRAM GPU
Corsair LL Series Case Fans


Velox build1. Config # 2616291.   $3496 - DS Sale $300 off = $3196

Digital Storm Velox Mid Tower ATX case
Intel i7-9700K 8 core / 8 thread CPU ...DS Overclocked to Stage 2
Corsair H115i sealed no maintenance 280 mm CPU cooler
ASUS Z390 ROG Strix H ATX motherboard
32 GB Corsair DDR4 RGB RAM (RAM is very cheap now)
Drive1 - 500 GB Samsung Evo Plus M.2 NVME SSD
Drive2 - 3 TB Toshiba-Hitachi HHD
NVidia RTX 2080 Super 8 GB VRAM GPU
Corsair LL Series Case Fans

See what you think.   Tinker with the components as needed...
Hope this gets you going in the right direction for a brand new DS rig!     
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 2:37pm
Originally posted by ShrikeArghast

How are you even getting these options on the configurator on Digital Storm? I can't bring some of those things up.

Problems with your WIP build:

- Old(ish) video card.
- Extremely small SSD to the point of uselessness (your overall storage amount is puny).
- Air-cooled rig.

The cpu isn't bad at all, though.



You missed the point sir...That was his old 2012 DS build list... He’s deciding on upgrade or build new....LL.
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  Quote Reagan Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 8:44am
Thank you for the feedback   I'll definitely take a look at your suggestions against what I had initially built out. Not sure what I'll do with the gigantic HAF case, but I sort of had a feeling I would be starting from scratch.

One last inquiry - is there typically a better time than not to take the dive relative to extra benefits or perks (free software, discounts, etc.) I noticed an older e-mail that came during vacation that had all of the current discounts plus $200+ in software but it ended September 1...i.e. dive in now or wait for black Friday type promotions?

Again thank you so much, and my apologies to the gentleman that misread the question...maybe should have posted the "draft build" I was working on also, but was trying to keep the length of post reasonable and wanted a veteran like yourself to see what I was currently working from in case an upgrade of existing made sense.
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 11:31am
As long as the old rig functions, it could still be useful as a backup.    My old 2011 P67 DS Ode rig still runs great and with an updated GPU it’s serving nicely as the wife’s rig.

Timing ....The current 10% promo and free shipping is pretty good, and I wouldn’t expect Holiday prices to change much.   Free game promos are usually driven by current NVidia offers...as a benefit of buying a rig with NVidia GPU. Back to School and Holiday are the two busy times of the year for DS when things can get backed up or parts out of stock. I would get the new order going before the Holiday rush begins...We have just learned that DS is expanding again to a much larger facility next month, and that may also create some delays in production.
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  Quote Reagan Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 12:19pm
Excellent info to know...thanks again!
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  Quote Reagan Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 11:25am
Finalizing my build and have one crazy question (actually its the wife's question) - does the Velox case come with/have an option for wheels?

I know, I know, but after seven years with the HAF (which was shipped with them attached) the thought of having to manhandle (in gender neutral terms) 45 pounds every time something needs to be accessed within the tight confines of my office set-up just doesn't excite either of us. In the grand scheme its a small thing for her to ask before I submit the order     
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Haha...No wheels...I’m afraid that feature was always kind of unique to the old huge heavy HalfX.    Besides, these beautiful cases today with RGB LED and visible interiors via glass sides deserve your very best desktop placement as high tech works of pc art...lol...less dust there too.    I placed my rig on a desktop riser behind my monitors where I can see it...lots of ways to show it off!   

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  Quote Chriside420 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by HockeyBuck


Haha...No wheels...I’m afraid that feature was always kind of unique to the old huge heavy HalfX.    Besides, these beautiful cases today with RGB LED and visible interiors via glass sides deserve your very best desktop placement as high tech works of pc art...lol...less dust there too.    I placed my rig on a desktop riser behind my monitors where I can see it...lots of ways to show it off!   


Honeybuck, could i possibly get you to post a pic of your tower of Said desktop riser behind your monitor/monitors thanks a million.

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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 5:24pm
Sure.   There are lots of choices in desktop risers out there, but this product is extremely solid & stable...and also has lots of space to utilize underneath.   I have two DS rigs using this exact Safeco riser setup behind the monitors.

Safco Products 3602BL Wood Desk Riser, 30"W, Black
by Safco Products...currently $95 on amazon...also newegg.com and Walmart...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015ZWBUQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The riser specs: 30"W x 12 1/4"D X 8 1/4" high
                    Rated up to 100 lb. weight capacity




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  Quote Chriside420 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Oct 2019 at 5:53pm
Very awesome. Thank you very much. I have been thinking on my new aventum's placement for some time now. As of now ive been simply using my lg c8 55 in my room on my bed for gaming. But i have been considering getting a good monitor and desk to display my new beast when it arrives. Again thanks for the pic.
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 2:16am
@ HockeyBuck: Drooling

@Criside420: your coming Aventum weighs in between 70 to 90 lbs. depending on how you configure it and it is 10" wide. (That is why it ships in a pallet only.) That riser is close to being maxed out.  The Aventum is HUGE! It should be on its own pedestal/desk/platform...be safe. Enjoy the monster. Big%20Smile (everyone that sees mine for the first time don't know what it is  LOL)

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  Quote Reagan Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 6:24am
Thanks! Always thought the HAF wheels were an unusual addition.

Been trying to convince the wife these are things of beauty and should be displayed not hidden. No luck yet convincing her that a lighted rig will fold seamlessly into the background of photography and art from our travels

Love the set-up with the riser! Unfortunately my desk set-up would not allow for that. May have given me an idea or two.

Appreciate the feedback. Now I just need to pull the trigger on this thing and maybe I'll have it in time for Thanksgiving to make my visiting brother and college age nephew envious
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  Quote Reagan Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 6:28am
One last question HB (I swear) - I'm essentially going with the Velox build you suggested. I noted that you did not overclock the video card despite the current promotional offer making it a free upgrade. Any reason not to have DS max that thing out?
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 12:33pm
Cool!    The suggested Velox build only uses an AIO cooler on the Overclocked CPU.    On air cooling alone we don’t usually advise folks to worry about Overclocking the GPU as it adds more heat and stress to the video card compared with little performance gain.     If you bump the build up to use the best HydroLux Pro cooling on CPU & GPU you would then get lower temps on both and could then Overclock the GPU safely as well.   My 2012 DS rig has HydroLux Pro cooling and I have only had to top off my coolant about once a year...that’s been all I have had to do.   Eventually I will change out for fresh coolant, but 7 years of trouble free use is what I have enjoyed with HydroLux Pro cooling.

Velox Build2. Config # 2625969.   $4,253 minus DS Sale $400 off = $3,853 Total
With HydroLux Pro cooling on CPU & GPU...Flex Clear Tubing/Clear Coolant

Lower temps and higher more stable OC are well worth the added $697 expense in my opinion.. but it’s not everyone’s cup of tea...lol.    Let us know what you end up going with!   

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  Quote Reagan Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 2:07pm
Thank you fine sir, glad I asked. Since I had already pushed the build above 4k due to a need to modernize my Microsoft suite (and why not buy it with build since it created an extra $100 off and was priced the same on Amazon and at Best Buy), have never messed with liquid cooling, and am too old to any longer compete hard in twitchy fps stuff - air cooling and stock (bad ass) GPU card it will be

All ordered and the countdown is on...and wife said "you are replacing the monitor, right?" My Dell has served well, but time to research!
Digital Storm Desktop - Config ID 2626036
System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Velox
Processor: Intel Core i7-9700K (4.9 GHz Turbo) (8-Core) 3.6 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix Z390-H Gaming (Intel Z390 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 3000MHz Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro (RGB Light Bar)
Power Supply: 850W Corsair RM850x (Fully Modular)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: External USB - Blu-Ray Player (Blu-Ray 6x) & DVD/CD Writer
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (500GB Samsung 970 EVO PLUS) (NVM Express)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (3TB Seagate / Toshiba / Hitachi)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H115i PRO - 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Corsair LL Series (RGB Fans) (Software Controlled Effects)
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
CPU Boost: Stage 2: Overclock CPU - Up to 5.1GHz on All CPU Cores
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: Microsoft Office 2019 Office Home & Business (PC Attach Key PKC Only, No Pre-install)
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 4 Year Limited Warranty (4 Year Labor & 2 Year Part Replacement)

Again a big thank you, I remember now why I chose DS some seven years ago over the numerous other custom shops out there...wonderfully helpful community here
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 3:18pm
Cool!   Be sure to grab a NVidia GSync tested and approved monitor from NVidia websites monitor lists.... they update the list regularly...

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/specs/


* I know this excellent Alienware 34” curved IPS WQHD panel is top of a lot of gaming monitor lists... ASUS and LG also make pretty good IPS panels as well.

Alienware (Dell) AW3418DW ...1900R Curved IPS G-Sync WQHD 3440 X 1440P 21:9. 4ms 120 Hz ...around $770 on amazon...Newegg....Dell

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Was looking at the Alienware...need to compare those measurements to my space!
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Oct 2019 at 2:11am
Check out the Asus PG279Q, a lot of us here use it and have no complaints. SmileEnjoy.

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Was looking at ASUS but the reviews are all over the place (seem to be a lot of complaints about build quality - cheap plastic, etc.) Brother has an AOC that he loves. I probably just need to go to a big store and place eyes on a number of them before purchasing. I have time anyhow lol
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Enjoy the search. Awesome
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