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Post Date: 2011-03-27

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    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 12:42am
Ok DST4ME, it's time you do some explaining for those of us who are not as computer literate as thee. I was just reading the configuration section where you were telling someone to go with an an I7 instead of an I5. If you'll recall you told me the same thing. In both cases you said the I7 has a hyperthread and the I5 doesn't. So I'm thinking I need one of those hyperthreads so I changed my order and got me one.
So the bad news is I don't even know what a hyperthread is. So I challenge you to explain to me in plain American what I just bought. This ain't something I'm going to trip over when I open the box on Thursday is it?? LOL!! Come on...
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 1:30am
Wow that is a tall order, let me see if I can do it in a general way.

HT makes the OS see a core as 2, so when you have a quad core, the OS sees it as 8 cores if HT is enabled, by doing so, it allows the os to assign 2 threads(tasks/processes/jobs/etc) to each core, allowing for more tasks to be done at once, so you are browsing, editing a photo, watching a video and you got the av running the background, HT here helps so that you either don't notice performance loss or minimizes it by basically putting the unused parts of the cpu to use when possible.

For a little more info checkout what intel says.

as we move forward, more apps and games and etc will start to take more advantage of multi core/threads, and you will see a bigger difference between HT enabled chips and non HT chips.

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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 1:30am
Hyperthreading - Having the OS feed double the things to process to the processor. Basically, it makes the processor a little more efficiently and some intensive, multithreaded programs work better with this. All intel processors since the last P55/X58 generation have had this, as well as some before (i.e. Pentium 4 HT).

If I understand it right, basically what it does is when a processor is waiting on something to happen to be allowed to process some code, HyperThreading gives the processor another piece of code that needs work, making it more efficient.

Here's how I visualize it..
Say there's a bunch of guys working at a packing factory. They all pack the stuff going down the line into boxes, and the line that they work on advances a piece every time they take one and puts it in the box (the line doesn't just keep moving past them, it waits...).
[The guys working are processor cores, the line is a stream of tasks the cores need to do].

Without HyperThreading:
Each guy is paired with one line
  -(One core gets one bunch of tasks).
When one line malfunctions, the guy in that line just sits there and goofs off on his iPhone while waiting for the line to be fixed.
  -(Say an error came up in a processor task, the core just sits there waiting.).
That guy wastes time. Now imagine in a processor world where errors occur like crazy in programs.

With HyperThreading.
Each guy is paired with two lines of stuff to pack
  -(Each core gets 2 bunches of tasks).
When one line malfunctions, the guy in that line defaults to the second line and packs stuff from there.
  -(Cores get something else needing processing when a task gets stuck).
Efficiency is conserved.

That's my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong, heh.


Edited by ablahblah - 27 Mar 2011 at 2:22am
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 1:35am
With HyperThreading and OC:
Each guy is paired with two lines of stuff to pack
-(Each core gets 2 bunches of tasks).
Each guy has another guy behind him beating his ass making him work as fast as possible
-(this is why you need LC, otherwise the guy will die from heat and thirst).




Edited by DST4ME - 27 Mar 2011 at 1:36am
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  Quote Divine Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 1:42am
HT is a very good thing to have! Lets say you have a processors thats a quad core "4 cores" if you don't have hyperthreading you only have 4 cores, and each core has its own thread, but with hyperthreading it allows you to run more than 1 thread on a core, so 2 threads on 4 cores would give you a total of 8 threads. The more threads you have the more you can do without compromising system performance!



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  Quote heritage1550 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 1:43am
Yeow!!!Whoa!! Thanks guys, that certainly cleared it up for me. LOL!! I appreciate ya'll taking the time to explain that to me. DST I'm gonna check that link you sent me but I'll wait till the morning when I'm more clear headed.You know I don't know if Digital Storm knows how valuable it is to them to have guys like you around who can explain stuff like this to guys like me but I certainly find it very helpful. Thanks again.Awesome
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 2:11am
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Mar 2011 at 2:20am
Originally posted by DST4ME

With HyperThreading and OC:
Each guy is paired with two lines of stuff to pack
-(Each core gets 2 bunches of tasks).
Each guy has another guy behind him beating his ass making him work as fast as possible
-(this is why you need LC, otherwise the guy will die from heat and thirst).




ROFL... 

Edited by ablahblah - 27 Mar 2011 at 2:20am
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