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    Posted: 05 Mar 2008 at 2:51am
Hi, I am new to this forum but I have been in the market for a new computer for a couple of months.  I have been looking at dell which is what I own now, along with velocity micro, and falcon northwest.  DS seems to be the best choice for the money and for overrall service.  What really sells me is the fact that all of the DS builds come with 3 year warranty! versus dells 1 year.  Well anyways this is the current build I have for what I want to buy: 
 
 Case: Digital Storm 950Si (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 850W Thermaltake (8800 GTX SLI Compatible) **CLEARANCE PRICE**
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz (1066MHz FSB) (8MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 780i Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 780i SLI)
Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair at 1066MHz Dominator (Dual Channel) (Extreme-Performance)
Floppy / Card: Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive 1: 160GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: 160GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Raid Option: Setup hard drive 1 and 2 in a Raid 0 Stripe (Read and Write Performance Boost)
Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800GTX 768MB (By: eVGA) (PCI-Express)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer (Recommended)
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 WindTunnel (Copper Heatpipe Heatsink & Zalman Case Fans)
Case Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Round Cables: Enhanced Interior Air Flow (Optical Drive & Floppy Cables (Blue Cables)
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Overclock Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor
Overclock Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Overclock Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional (Includes Service Pack 2)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Pre-Install Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: Razer Lycosa Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Razer Lachesis Gaming Mouse (High-Speed Gaming Grade)
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
Support: Lifetime Toll-Free Platinum Care Technical Support
 
This build is under 3 grand, and thats where I want to keep it.
Some of my questions are:
 
1.  Would it be better to wait for the new nvidia 9 series cards versus getting a 8800 series?
 
2.  Which case is better for air cooling, the 950Si or the 850?
 
3.  And what OS is truly better for gaming, Vista or Xp pro?
 
I can not think of any more specific questions at the moment, but if anybody could give some advice or recomendations on my build it would be most appreciated.
 
Thank you everybody for your time in reading my thread.
 
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Mar 2008 at 3:23am
1. It's hard to beat the value of an 8800GT or GTS. I would probably not sink the money into an 8800GTX. The GTS is just too close in performance for considerably less money. I hate waiting for anything. Particularly when it comes to tech buys. Something better is *always* right around the corner.

2. 850i, no doubt.

3. XP, with the caveat that you cannot run DX-10. I think if you have a powerful enough system, the performance gains of running in XP will not be noticeable in game. Yes, you can see it in benchmarks, but we are talking a difference of 7% in every benchmark I have run in both OS. This is hardly Earth shattering.

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edit: I had posted another config, but this one seems more in line with what you wanted to accomplish. I assume the 850W PSU was in the first config to SLI another GTX down the road. The configuration in the link has SLI at that price. You can lower the purchase price and still upgrade later if that was your intent. Dropping the SLI would allow for the gaming keyboard and mouse to be included at an under $3k price tag, though you could just as easily purchase those items locally.
 
I also went dual boot, so you don't have to decide between OS, and opted for 4GB of RAM and the 64 bit version of Vista so you can enjoy using the OS the way it was intended, while having the assurance of XP Pro as a backup in case you do run into one of those rare Vista conflicts.

If I missed anything else you really wanted in your config, my apologies, too much overtime and not enough sleep dulls the brain.


Edited by Tyler Lowe - 05 Mar 2008 at 3:36am
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  Quote Joker3 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Mar 2008 at 3:33am
Thank you for the quick reply.  I am just wondering now, is better to go with the 4 gigs of ram over 2 if I were to upgrade to vista?
And are you saying that it is best to get a 3rd HDD in order to get better performance from OS?
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Mar 2008 at 3:42am
One of the Two OS I selected is 64 bit. A 64 bit OS will use all of the 4GB of RAM. Vista was really intended as a 64 bit OS from what I've read, and also a feeling I have had for some time. MY guess is M$ was worried about lost revenue, and decided to release it 32 bit by default, and allow people to send in for a 64 bit disk if they wanted.

The performance increase from a 3rd HDD for the OS is modest at best, the primary reason to do this is so that if you have to do a clean install of the operating system (say during that annual HDD cleaning and OS repair/ clean install we all do.... *yeah right*) you don't have to touch your games an other data. If Windows becomes corrupted and you have to do a clean install, it becomes a minor inconvenience instead of a disaster. It's a very cheap upgrade, and one I don't hesitate to encourage people to invest in.

If you really want to gain the absolute most HDD performance without spending Raptor prices:

160GB HDD: OS install
80GB HDD: Swap files (paging files)
2x160GB HDD: RAID 0


Edited by Tyler Lowe - 05 Mar 2008 at 3:44am
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  Quote Joker3 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Mar 2008 at 4:54am

So this HDD build would be ideal to what you are talking about correct?

Hard Drive 1: 160GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: 160GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Raid Option: Setup hard drive 1 and 2 in a Raid 0 Stripe (Read and Write Performance Boost)
Hard Drive 3: 80GB Western Digital (8MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)

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  Quote Joker3 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Mar 2008 at 5:04am
Also back to Gpu's, what would be best for running games in 1920 x 1200rez for the money? 
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Mar 2008 at 11:29am
The HDD config I listed, you would have to request by email or phone call. It would require 4 HDD's and DSO provides the capability to list 3 HDD's in their config page.

The best value GPU is arguable. The 8800GT is pretty much the best bang for the buck processor *provided you can keep it running cool enough*, observe:




and




When looking over these two charts, keep in mind two things.

1. The 8800GT is harder to keep cool than the GTX or the GTS.

2. The 8800GTS in these charts is *not* the 8800GTS(G92) 512MB I have recommended.

IMO, for air cooling, the best bang for the buck GPU is the 8800GTS. It expells hot ait outside of the case, and it sustains faster clocks than it's cheaper single slot brother.





Edited by Tyler Lowe - 05 Mar 2008 at 11:31am
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  Quote Joker3 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Mar 2008 at 10:08pm
Again thank you Tyler for your input and info, here is my new build config:
 
Case: Digital Storm 850Si (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 850W Thermaltake (8800 GTX SLI Compatible) **CLEARANCE PRICE**
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz (1066MHz FSB) (8MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 780i Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 780i SLI)
Memory: 4GB DDR2 Corsair at 1066MHz Dominator (Dual Channel) (Extreme-Performance)
Floppy / Card: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 1: 160GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: 160GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Raid Option: Setup hard drive 1 and 2 in a Raid 0 Stripe (Read and Write Performance Boost)
Hard Drive 3: 160GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800GTS 512MB (By: eVGA) (PCI-Express)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer (Recommended)
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 WindTunnel (Copper Heatpipe Heatsink & Zalman Case Fans)
Case Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Round Cables: Enhanced Interior Air Flow (Optical Drive & Floppy Cables (Blue Cables)
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Overclock Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor
Overclock Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Overclock Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Pre-Install Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: Logitech 5.1 System (Black Edition) (Model X540) (Includes Subwoofer)
Keyboard: Razer Lycosa Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Razer Lachesis Gaming Mouse (High-Speed Gaming Grade)
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
Support: Lifetime Toll-Free Platinum Care Technical Support
 
Also I would call to see about that 4th HDD for OS in order to save files in case of a necessary window reinstall.
 
So does anybody think this build is compatible or could be modified to be possibly cheaper in any way?
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  Quote SunfighterLC Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Mar 2008 at 10:27pm
I like the Lycosa keyboard, I got mine like 2 weeks ago. I do want to make a few points known about it though that you might not know yet.
 
1) The keys are all flat, like a laptop. It takes some getting used to if youre used to a standard type keyboard where each row above the lower one is slightly higher.
 
2) there are virtually NO markings what so ever on the keys, you have to rely on the light being on to see what letter each key is. Not a major problem if youre pretty much an expert at typing. Which most gamers are. Just still kinda scary to think of if maybe one day your light stops working. Or if somebody that isnt good at typing wants to use your computer, they will be lost to all hell if that light goes out, because at best, in a perfectly lit room the best you will see is what looks like an extremely faded out outline of a letter on a key (obviously its the hole to let the backlite though, but if you look hard enough you can make out the letters without the light on)
 
3) the rubber keys are kinda nice, but i dunno if its the oil on my fingertips or what, but on some of the keys the rubber is getting spotty fading on it. Kinda ugly looking after a while.
 
4) its a bare bones keyboard, there are no bells or whistles with it, no extra keys or anything, no LCD displays, nothing. (this is a plus for me honestly.) Its also extremely light, very good if you go to LANs a lot, as you wont be lugging around some extra weight that some of those other gaming keyboards do with all their stupid displays and extra keys.
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  Quote SunfighterLC Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Apr 2008 at 9:10pm
CensoredLOL They are getting quite aggressive lately lol.
E8500@ 4.03Ghz
XFX 790i Ultra
1000W Corsair HX
2 280 GTX EVGA FTW
4GB OCZ Reaper 1800Mhz
250-80-300GB VR HD
Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Speakers
Asus Xonar 7.1
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