Config HelpPost Date: 2008-10-01 |
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Dsnewb210
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Topic: Config Help Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:14am |
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Basically im trying to put together a unit thats not going to be outdated instantly and can handle most of the higher end games. However with nehalem coming around the corner waiting might be a better option, however ive heard the gains are minimal.
Multitasking has become quite a issue with my old dell xps gen 3, p4 with ht tech is just not cutting it anymore.
Also im unsure of the need for liquid cooling and the maintence involved, but i can assume it only keeps the components much cooler then air can.
As far as the hard drives are concerned, I read an article about HD's bottlenecking your systems performance. I figure 2 raptors in raid 0 mode are more then enough to prevent this from happening.
Im also very unsure about the improtance of matching the ram's mhz to the processors fsb.
Here is what i have configured to accomplish high-end gaming and multi-tasking. Any insight or suggestions are more then welcome.
Thanks in advance!
Chassis: Digital Storm 950Si Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX9650 3.00GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only) System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1800MHz Corsair Dominator DHX (Extreme-Performance) Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Raid Option: Setup hard drive 1 and hard drive 2 in a Raid 0 Stripe Configuration (Expert) Hard Drive 3: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x) Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB) (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU & Dual Video Cards Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Tweak Windows: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty Edited by Dsnewb210 - 01 Oct 2008 at 1:16am |
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Tyler Lowe
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:30am | |
Gains from Nehelam for gaming may be somewhat lackluster from the look (no matter how good your architecture is, if the software doesn't take advantage of it, it doesn't matter), but you said multi tasking as well, and there is one area where I expect the next generation of CPU to truly shine.
RAID is a double edged sword. It does offer performance increases, generally much less for motherboard based RAID control than when using a discrete hardware based controller, but at the disadvantage of doubling your chances of drive failure. If either of the drives fails, the RAID array fails. I don't recommend it. A single VRaptor drive should eliminate any noticeable bottleneck without exposing you to increased risk of losing your data.
If you plan on gaming on a 30" monitor, the GTX280's are a good buy. At 24" of less, you might consider an SLI pair of GTX260's, unless you plan on waiting more than 2 years for your next GPU upgrade.
Overclocking the GPU's is a minimal gain for the expense. You can use software tools to overclock the cards. The new overclocking software is so user friendly anyone can OC a graphics card, even if they are completely new to it.
If it is at all possible for you to provide the configuration number, this would be extremely helpful for others to be able to look at your current build and use that as a starting point when making suggestions.
Edited by Tyler Lowe - 01 Oct 2008 at 1:30am |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:32am | |
ticket number?
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Dsnewb210
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:38am | |
Tyler Lowe
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:46am | |
For roughly the same price:
Chassis: Digital Storm 950Si
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX9770 3.20GHz (1600MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only) System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1800MHz OCZ Platinum Edition Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB) (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU & Dual Video Cards Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Tweak Windows: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) I only made minor changes to your configuration as listed. It seemed such a shame to have that nice fast overclocking RAM paired with anything less than a QX9770. I really believe you'll see a much better return on that $300 dollars with the better of the two extreme chips rather than a second VRaptor drive. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:47am | |
Raid is not worth the headache.
my idea, if you want you can change you ram to 1600 or 1800 but if ever you are not OCing what ever is over your fsb is a waste. my idea for you: here you go Ticket# 189371 --- Price: $3910 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only) System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB) (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU Only Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Tweak Windows: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty now you know everybody says nehalem will not help games much because games don't take advantage of quad core right now, but here is the thing, speed of the pc matters to games right? well nehalem is suppose to OC higher then current penryn chips, games like cache right? nehalem has more cache. So even tho I understand what they are saying, I don't undersand how more speed and cache is minimal gains? if a Nehalem 2.66 can OC to around 4.0 on air, that called small gains that games can't take advantage of? or small advantage? |
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Dsnewb210
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:53am | |
Thanks Tyler, I agree with you as far as the raid is concerned,however i don't care for ocz memory so id probably end up just eating the extra 30 for the corsair.
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Dsnewb210
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:55am | |
Good point! Real quesiton is when will it be released?
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Tyler Lowe
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:55am | |
Believe it or not, DSO has had a higher failure rate recently with the corsair and has been recommending the OCZ over the Dominator RAM (I couldn't believe it at first myself, but it's true). This is why I selected the OCZ.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:57am | |
don't get corsair its been crapping out, that is why we recommend OCZ.
TL how do you justify the 1100 for the qx9770 vs the q6950 when the the difference is gonna be minimal? you know no matter what teh calculations, both will endup around the same range. Edited by DST4ME - 01 Oct 2008 at 1:58am |
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Dsnewb210
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:58am | |
Ahh i see, im just scared of ocz ram because of all the posts about its stability with 790i mobo.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 2:01am | |
Dsnewb210 just fyi, I think that config is over priced comparing to what you will endup with. Just letting you know, you don't need that case the haf will do just as good of job if not better. and the price for the qx9770 is not worth it at all when you got the q9650 around, the extra cache is nice but not worth almost $2000. You don't need to liquid cool the cards if you go with the haf and you don't need to spend your money on OS tweaks, we can do that ourselves for free
Edited by DST4ME - 01 Oct 2008 at 2:04am |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 2:02am | |
november is now the month it will be released. Edited by DST4ME - 01 Oct 2008 at 2:02am |
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Dsnewb210
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 2:05am | |
Is there any other details about it floating around? Like maybe the price vs there Extreme line atm.
Edited by Dsnewb210 - 01 Oct 2008 at 2:05am |
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Tyler Lowe
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 2:06am | |
It's a $300 difference, not an $1100 difference in price. There's maybe a %5 difference between the two, and that $300 represents about 5% of the total price of this system. That doesn't seem at all out of line. The QX9770 is a better overclocker than the QX9650 from every account I have read in the overclocking and hardware forums I participate in (no, this is not the only one- call it a sickness ), and the last system I recall on these forums built with the QX9650 overclocked to 3.6GHz. I figure between that nice fast RAM, outstanding cooling of his configuration and the improvement in the chip, that gives Dsnewb210 his best shot at higher clocks.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 2:07am | |
Yes the prices of nehalem are suppose to be lower then current high end penryn and when it comes out no matter what the prices of penryn will have to drop also.
It will not have the fsb anymore so no more fsb bottle neck either. |
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Dsnewb210
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 2:16am | |
Bleh, I am just really wondering if the wait is going to be worth it. This dell has grown substantially louder as the years progress. Its pretty much overloaded trying to run WoW and Itunes. None the less, two months is quite awhile to wait when you've had a prior system for 4 years. |
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Tyler Lowe
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 2:19am | |
DSnewb, Nehelam isn't that far off. A couple of months more truly is not going to matter after so long suffering with that system. When it comes out, you'll be able to see if everything works as planned or if there are problems. If it goes as planned and the gains are good, the wait will be worth it. If the gains are not so good, the prices on what you're looking at now will still come down, because it will no longer be th newest hardware, so you save some $$$. If any part of the launch has problems, you are exactly where you are right now, only you don't have to second guess yourself on such a major purchase. If you had said gaming was your only concern, I would say buy now, you won't regret it. But you didn't. Unless you really just can't take one more day with that crappy system, I would hold off in your position. Edited by Tyler Lowe - 01 Oct 2008 at 4:57am |
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Dsnewb210
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 2:19am | |
Gonna sleep on it me thinks! Thanks again for the help.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 2:20am | |
believe it or not I have gen 4 with a p4 3.8GHz here myself I have a 720 h2c also but its all carp and not really upgradeable.
I have been waitng a year for nehalem, its well worth the wait, you will see when it comes out. |
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