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  Quote Adrenfreak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Configuration Help?
    Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 5:19am
Ok, looking at various google searches and the comparisons on the website here are really not helping me choose a configuration.

I buy workhorse powerhouse computers that last me years. My last computer was purchased 4 years ago, and it ran every game of the time at 1600x1200 high. It was only last year that it began to run into issues, and I'm down to 1280x1024.

My last computer had 400 gigs of storage, which was the best I could find at the time, and I ran out of that a long time ago. It also had the best CPU I could get at the time. Lastly, a large CRT display for maximum flexibility in resolutions.

All of this has given me a computer that's lasted so many years doing office, programming, storage and gaming at fairly top notch for fairly cheap.

It's an Alienware. I'd planned on buying my new one from Alienware again this year, but the rising prices and lowered configuration choices drove me to search for other sites. Found this one and was very impressed, especially when I built a computer for under 4k that Alienware couldn't match at nearly 6k.

What I'm looking for this time around is more of the same - Multitasking ability, storage space, and longterm viability in gaming and productivity.

I have several questions and several problems with my build. I used the configuration request form to send these questions in, but it's been three weeks with no answer. So I'm turning to the boards to get some help from the community and a few of the employees I see hovering around.

I'm aiming for less than 6K. If I get it under 5K, I'll be buying with no reservations.

My build:
Specifications:
Case: Digital Storm 950Si (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 1000W SilverStone Strider (Dual SLI Compatible) (Model: ST1000) (Silent)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad QX9650 Extreme 3.00GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra  SLI) (DDR3 Only)
Memory: 4GB DDR3 Corsair at 1333MHz
Floppy / Card: Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive 1: 1TB Western Digital (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive 2: 1TB Western Digital (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive 3: 1TB Western Digital (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Raid Option: - No
Optical Drive 1: BLU-RAY/DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (Blu-Ray 4x / DVD Writer 18x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Quad (nVidia GeForce 9800GX2 1GB)
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer (Recommended)
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
LCD Display: Acer 22 inch (Widescreen) (Black) (High-Performance Gaming Display)
Speakers: - No Thanks
My questions

  1. Video Card: I can't find any good information on the newest NVidia cards. I see various posts about the differences between the 8800s and 9800s. However, I'm unable to find any good information about the 9800 GTX vs the 9800 GX2. Which card would be best for high quality gaming and video imaging currently and in the long term? I'd aim for a dual SLI, but the dual GX2 costs are extraordinarily high compared to the dual GTX. I can't countenance the cost without some information from somewhere. I'd prefer a 9800, as it's two levels above what I have now, but if necessary, I'll drop to a single 8800 config, and upgrade later.
  2. Display: I've been shying away from LCDs for years because of their inability to competently handle the massive array of resolutions that a CRT can. I'm currently working on a 1920x1440 desktop resolution, and I play games ranging from very old ones with a 600x480 (or less) resolution, all the way up to older ones that I can handle at 1920x1440. I also use many of the inbetweens, depending on the game and what I can handle in it. As this computer ages, I expect to be doing the same - playing at the highest resolution I can handle and am willing to accept. Can any of the LCDs offered in the customizer handle this array of choices? I'd accept one that can handle 1024x768, 1600x1200 and a higher desktop resolution in the same way that my current CRT can. I'd like to go for the 24 inch, but I'm playing around looking at costs.
  3. Speakers: I've had the same speakers on my computers for ten years - Klipsch Pro-Media 4.1. These speakers are nicely powerful for their size, and haven't had a single problem. I'd love to upgrade them to 5.1's, but not a single set of speakers has come near their output and fidelity. In the opinions of anyone who has used them, do the Logitech's available in the customizer stack up to these speakers? If not, are there any that do? Suggestions for this would be greatly appreciated.
  4. HDD Setup: More an employee question - Would it be possible to have the system configured with a smallish partition of HDD1 above as the system partition? Something along the lines of C = 200G, D = 800G, E/F = 1T each with the Optical in F? My only problem with my last few computers has been a complete inability to nicely wipe and reload. I have too much data on all the drives to completely back things up, so I just don't bother. A partitioned drive would answer this problem nicely. It will also allow me to give up on Vista someday and reload with XP, or to upgrade to Vista 64 someday to use all that memory I just added.

Thanks all for any information or answers you can provide to the above.
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  Quote SunfighterLC Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 11:37am
Couple things to note, you might need a 1200W power supply for duel GX2's as well with a lot of the high end goodies you have set up to go with it. You might wanna ask somebody with better knowledge though.
 
You already are aware that your version of windows probably wont use all those 4GB of ram so no need to talk about that.
 
Now to your questions:
The 9800GTX isnt out yet and is still under its NDA, so finding reliable information on it is pretty hard. There has been one review out for it.
 
 
Take it with a grain of salt though. What i do know is that a Gx2 is equal to or slightly above the power of duel 8800GTS 512 cards. So id expect that a SLI 9800GTX set up will be slightly above the performance of a single GX2 by how much I really cant say. The Quad GX2 will obviously beat even triple SLI 9800 just due to the extra core, but would it really be worth the money is the better question. I wanna lean towards no. But if you have the money the Quad GX2 will probably be the most muscle you can get for a while.
 
For the display, im honestly not a huge fan of Acer displays. The samsung might provide a decent display, but id say its probably best not to pick a monitor without doing some goodly amount of research on it first. Usually what i do is go to newegg.com and read reviews of various monitors in the areas of performance im looking for. Then I take a trip to my local best buy, or some other computer place and I take a look at the displays myself. As each person kinda has their own take on what is a nice display or not.
 
I personally use a 27.5 inch Hanns-G that i got from best buy. It only has a 800:1 contrast ratio, but i went to best buy and looked it over vs another LCD i was looking at a with a  1000:1 ratio and i honestly couldnt see that much of a difference with my eyeballs. Plus i got a hell of a deal that i just couldnt pass up for this thing. 439.99.
 
(p.s Watch out with samsung and other displays, they love to use "dynamic contrast ratio" which gives like ungodly numbers like 10000:1 I wish they would have a standard method over all displays)
 
Speakers i dont know anything about, ive never even had 4.1 speakers =/.
 
 


Edited by SunfighterLC - 29 Mar 2008 at 11:40am
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  Quote traylorc Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 12:44pm
Originally posted by Adrenfreak


I have several questions and several problems with my build. I used the configuration request form to send these questions in, but it's been three weeks with no answer.
 
Not meaning to threadjack, but I think this is problem that DS really needs to address.  Not answering configuaration requests is just begging customers to take their business elsewhere.  I recommended DS to two of my friends in the 3 -4 weeks, they both sent in multiple configuaration requests and received no response.  They both wound up going with AVA Direct and Maingear respectively....average amount spent by both buddies was $4,500.  Two pretty significant sales that should have gone to DS.
 
Hope you get your questions answered Adrenfreak.  Hang in there.
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  Quote SunfighterLC Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 12:57pm
Thats strange, ive done two of them and they both had replies within 1-2 days.
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  Quote Adrenfreak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 4:04pm
Yeah, me too. I'm guessing it's because the company got very popular and they're dealing with explosions of people hitting the configurator.

And wait - If the GTX isn't out yet, how is it in the configurator?
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 5:10pm

1. The 9800GTX has yet to be released. It appears, from the information leaked thus far, to be a simple refresh of the 8800GTS with a 25MHz bump in clock speed and a second SLI connection to enable tri SLI in a sub $400 card. The reality is, the 9 series looks more like a refresh than a genuine push forward in technology. A single 9800x2 is roughly the equivalent of running 2 8800GTS in SLI if this helps in your analysis of cost to benefit.

2. My limited understanding of the technology used to render images with LCD leads me to believe you are going to find that nothing will have the same resolution flexibility you have grown accustomed to with a CRT display. I will defer to others in this area that may have a better grasp of the technology involved, but my take on it is that rather than go all out with a video card purchase and hope it lasts for 4 years, it would be a better strategy to go a tier down and upgrade your GPU's in 2 years. That would be my advice based on my understanding: adapt your strategy to the change in technology.

3. No comment. I have not heard the Klipsch Pro Media set, nor the Logitecs and don't trust anything other than my own ears for speaker selection.

4. You can request anything you want for partitions. You could even ask for additional HDD's to be installed beyond the configuration screen options. Want 4 TB of storage in the form of 4x 1TB drives and a separate 150GB Raptor for your OS? Request it. The limitations will vary by case, some can accommodate more HDD's than others. This is where a direct dialogue with DSO would be advisable.


Some notes: Don't discount the importance of an enhanced cooling selection. Your selection of graphics cards and numerous HDD's is going to produce large amounts of heat that need to be expelled from the case as expeditiously as possible.

As far as the appearance of a yet to be released card, perhaps to allow for pre-orders.



Edited by Tyler Lowe - 29 Mar 2008 at 5:10pm
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  Quote Adrenfreak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Mar 2008 at 2:01pm
Just a bump, hoping for employee input tomorrow.
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Mar 2008 at 11:47pm
Here's another friendly bump for you. Wink

Adren, if you have not done so already, give DSO a call with any further questions. They do try to respond to forum posts, but most of their time on the forums seems to be spent with technical help rather than configuration advice. Hopefully, this post does get answered, but your best bet by far is the phone, or a PM to a DSO staff member.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Apr 2008 at 2:44am
Every configuration request that comes are way is reviewed and replied to. It's mainly the Digital Storm replies being sent to SPAM.
 
It's best to check the SPAM/Junk Mail folders as we have had many cases where they would fall into that hole. Another solution is to simply include a phone number so our staff may speak to you about your configuration.
 
Originally posted by traylorc

Originally posted by Adrenfreak


I have several questions and several problems with my build. I used the configuration request form to send these questions in, but it's been three weeks with no answer.
 
Not meaning to threadjack, but I think this is problem that DS really needs to address.  Not answering configuaration requests is just begging customers to take their business elsewhere.  I recommended DS to two of my friends in the 3 -4 weeks, they both sent in multiple configuaration requests and received no response.  They both wound up going with AVA Direct and Maingear respectively....average amount spent by both buddies was $4,500.  Two pretty significant sales that should have gone to DS.
 
Hope you get your questions answered Adrenfreak.  Hang in there.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Apr 2008 at 2:49am

Tyler Lowe hit the ball on all four questions.

1. You should go with an SLI setup of two 9800GTX video cards. If you want real power, you should go with two 8800GTX video cards. The 9800GX2 video card(s) are great, but, they are not really a good choice for putting them in a 2x (Quad-SLI) setup.
 
2. LCD displays have come a long way. I personally was in the same situation before, but, I have a Samsung 24" display, and it's great!
 
3. The Logitech speaker set is great, however, Klipsch is a far better brand in audio. They are obviously more pricey than Logitech and if you are an audiophile, stick with Klipsch.
 
4. Yes, we can do that. Simply request that in the order comments box in the checkout process (billing details page).
 
Give us a call if you have any further questions, or shoot me a PM.


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  Quote Adrenfreak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Apr 2008 at 10:20am
I'll answer the technical part in a second, but I'm in a meeting - Quick question, what's the domain that the responses come from?

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Ok, work and the flu got in the way of me getting anything done with this, but now I'm back in the saddle and tired of waiting for things to load and watching my hard drive capacity drop below 100 gigs total.

I basically took all the comments here, and went back to the drawing board - I also wanted to see if any configurator changes had taken place.

I found some much better articles finally that enabled me to see the difference between GTX and GX2. I still waffle a bit between getting one GX2 over two GTX's. I could always plug in a second GX2 a year from now and gain insane power. Anyone have a thought/suggestion on that?

I also took the monitor out - I have a nice 21" CRT, and I need to head somewhere and look at LCD's in action for awhile before I buy. I'm basically breaking my tradition of buying a huge machine and doing no upgrades at all for awhile.

Here's my final build. I'm pushing buy this week, come hell or high water. Errr, I live in northern Illinois on a lake, and the water is rising, bad way to say that. Anyone out there have any comments on it that I should think about?

Copy of Specifications:
Case: Digital Storm 950Si (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 1000W SilverStone Strider (Dual SLI Compatible) (Model: ST1000) (Silent)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad QX9770 Extreme 3.20GHz (1600MHz FSB) (12MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only)
Memory: 4GB DDR3 Corsair at 1333MHz
Floppy / Card: Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive 1: 1TB Western Digital (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive 2: 1TB Western Digital (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 3: 1TB Western Digital (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Optical Drive 1: BLU-RAY/DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (Blu-Ray 4x / DVD Writer 18x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (nVidia GeForce 9800GTX 512MB)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer (Recommended)
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 WindTunnel (Copper Heatpipe Heatsink & Zalman Case Fans)
Case Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Red Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Round Cables: Enhanced Interior Air Flow (Optical Drive & Floppy Cables (Red Cables)
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Overclock Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor
Overclock Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Overclock Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Pre-Install Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
Support: Lifetime Toll-Free Platinum Care Technical Support

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  Quote Adrenfreak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Apr 2008 at 3:39pm
Last quick note - the area up here gets fairly warm in the summer, and my house is somewhat aged - Even with the AC on, I sometimes push high 70s in the summer. With that in mind, will the level 3 air cooling do ok?
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