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  Quote cronic22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Configuration help
    Posted: 28 May 2009 at 2:48am
The last time I bought a computer was at CompUSA and it was a HP multimedia center. It lasted pretty well- about 6 years but now I am wanting to spoil myself some on a new rig. I'm doing little research here and there trying to figure out what is good and what is really unneeded. I've been debating, what is the best card to use with air cooled, or is LC the way to go these days. As for the games I am running, this is for games like GTA IV, Crysis (my old pc could run it on low and I have been dying to see it with the graphics cranked all the way up), Far Cry 2, World of Warcraft, and Empire Total War, which I wanted to get after I got a better machine. My room has a temp of about 60-80 on average year round. My budget right now is going to be around $5000. So far my configuration looks like this.....does it look ok?

Ticket Number: 287798
Total Price with Instant Savings: $3,784.00

Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=287798

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Mushkin (Highly Recommended) (Digital Storm Certified)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Western Digital (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 1.792GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-U12P High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Blue)
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock the processor between 4.0GHz to 4.2GHz (Requires H20 Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: Samsung 24 inch (Widescreen) (Black) (High-Performance Gaming Display)
Surge Shield: PC Power & Cooling 1500VA Uninterruptible Backup Surge Conditioner
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: Razer Tarantula Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2009 at 6:01am
I will reconfig that for you so you can see what its suppose to look like but first I need to know what your resolution will be
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  Quote inferno23 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2009 at 1:08pm
Yeah i see some issues. U got 1 HD and 2 optical drives so youre wasting cash there. THen u have the stage 2 over clock and u have the AIR cooling so u cant do that unless u go stage 3 Frostbite and if u go LC u dont need the LED fan upgrade its lust gonna be 72$ gone down the drain. ( also the HAF comes with 1 stock red LED u might wanna replace that one) The only other thing is the video card u really dont need the 295 for the 24 inch , but besides that 2x GTX 275 will give u the better performamce and i wouldnt oc the Video card its gonna make your system way 2 hot for such little extra performance. Other wise ure good unless u want to go with the velociraptor instead of the TB the TB is way 2 much back up u wont need it.
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  Quote cronic22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2009 at 1:30am
Thanks for the replies. I was thinking of going lower on resolution, but I will go 1920 x 1200 ....I think thats the max they go right now. Whats a good monitor to go with?

Instead of 2 optical drives and a TB drive maybe one optical and 2 300GB drives?




Edited by cronic22 - 29 May 2009 at 1:33am
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  Quote GeneralShrooms Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2009 at 1:38am
A couple questions, what do you need two optical drives for and what do you need 600GBs for? I'm not trying to make a point, just serious questions.

And about the monitor, I'm going to go with HP 2159m
I don't own it yet but its a good HD monitor for the price.
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  Quote cronic22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2009 at 5:31am
my current pc has 2 optical drives.lol i just thought that was normal. and same about the hard drive, i was listening to a friends advise. but he said go alienware, which was how i found DSO cause i heard some great reviews, and i was never a huge fan of alienware.

this is all new for me, so i am really grateful to everyone here.
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  Quote cronic22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2009 at 6:48am
did a little tweak....
i can get stuff like a keyboard and monitor later....that hp was a beauty.

Ticket Number: 288317
Total Price with Instant Savings: $4,100.00

Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=288317

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Dominator DHX (High-Performance)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD켙/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: High-Performance Liquid Chilled FrostBite System For CPU & Two Video Cards
Liquid Color:Red: Non-conductive High-Performance Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 Cooling Package)
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Red)
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock the processor between 4.0GHz to 4.2GHz (Requires H20 Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: PC Power & Cooling 1500VA Uninterruptible Backup Surge Conditioner
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2009 at 7:43am
this is better, you don't need to LC the gpus.

here you go Ticket# 288320 --- Price: $3973 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $3898

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Mushkin (Highly Recommended) (Digital Storm Certified)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: OCZ) Vertex Series (Model: OCZSSD2-1VTX120G)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: High-Performance Liquid Chilled FrostBite System For CPU
Liquid Color:Red: Non-conductive High-Performance Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 Cooling Package)
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Red)
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock the processor between 4.0GHz to 4.2GHz (Requires H20 Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: PC Power & Cooling 1500VA Uninterruptible Backup Surge Conditioner
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty


if you do want the LC on gpus then make sure they use the quick-release valves
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  Quote inferno23 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2009 at 12:46pm
yeah i was gonna say dont waste you cash LC the gpu's unless you're OC them; I believe those GTX's have a water cooling block or something in them already.my only question now is y do you need the red LED fan upgrade. there 1 stock Led red fan in the HAF, and u have red LC and internal lighting. I still think the fans are overkill. the only other thing is with the 4.0 -4.2 OC on the 920 from what i seen the 920's get temps over 82 degress celcius on avg when OC above 3.7 im not 100% postive but i think you loaded temps are gonna be high
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  Quote Zurginator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2009 at 1:03pm
@ inferno: Fail. GTX's do not have a 'water cooling block', they do have a nice heatpipe system though.
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  Quote GeneralShrooms Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2009 at 2:13pm
IMO, you should go with a regular HDD and then upgrade later to an SSD when the prices go down.
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  Quote cronic22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2009 at 3:55pm
i love that setup DST4ME, its got what i am looking for and cheaper than i thought lol.....is there a meter anywhere to let you know when to change the LC?
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  Quote B@d//j0ke Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2009 at 4:39pm
Sigh, if I had a nickle for every LC maintenance related question I see.
 
Liquid cooling in not as big of a hassle as everyone makes it out to be. The fact is LC requires more maintenance then air cooling, and this seems to scare people. However keep in mind that this is in comparison to "Air cooling" which requires almost NO maintenance what so ever. apart from keeping dust levels down.
 
 
To answer you're question more directly. in order to check to see weather or not you need to add liquid is to open up the case and look. if it looks like its getting low then you top it off. Theres really no wrong way of doing it, you can do it more or less often then you wish. just so long as you don't let it run out lol.
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  Quote Vipersneak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2009 at 11:05pm

Cronic, keep in mind that while 4.0 GHz is nice, it is possible that keeping your CPU at that high of an OC permanently MAY reduce the life of the CPU.  Alot of people that OC that high do so only temporarily, simply to see if they can achieve that speed and make it stable.  Fun stuff.  Then they turn it back down into the 3.x Ghz range for normal everyday operation.  Not alot to gain between 3.5 Ghz and 4.0 Ghz in most games anyway.  Games like those are more highly GPU dependant. LCing is sweet though whatever you decide.  As B@d says, maintenance isn't that big of an issue with LCing just the CPU.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 May 2009 at 4:08am
Originally posted by cronic22

i love that setup DST4ME, its got what i am looking for and cheaper than i thought lol.....is there a meter anywhere to let you know when to change the LC?


you just check the reserviour once a month and if the level is low you just un-velcro it and add liquid and then put it back on velcro.

OCing a 920 to 4.2GHz is not high at all, a high oc for the 920 is like 5.0GHz

I know lot of people with over 4.0GHz oc and I don't know once person that turned their oc back to 3.5 or something like that.

Edited by DST4ME - 30 May 2009 at 4:09am
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  Quote inferno23 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 May 2009 at 11:30am
DOesnt the HAF case have a place to add liquid 2 without opening the case like on the top or something?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 May 2009 at 8:20pm
it does but the LC system used here does not have the reservoir installed there. but still you have to open the side door real quick to check the level, while there just grab it and add some liquid.
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  Quote cronic22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 May 2009 at 9:07pm
Thanks to all of you for your input and for helping me get my mess of a start sorted out. What I thought was going to be difficult to do was really quite simple. Just needed some direction. Now just gotta wait a couple weeks to get the money together and I can make a final decision :)
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 May 2009 at 9:21pm
My pleasure and good luck, be sure to let us reconfig a system for you when you are ready, things change fast around here
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  Quote phil@fostini.com Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Jun 2009 at 10:17am
You sould check out the post I put here http://www.digitalstormonline.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=7002 . It';s a htbrid of a dual pump but I get good temps.  I am sure DS can do this. In fact I saw another post with a similar setup.
Oh, It does use the the top fill port built into the HAF.

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