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Convince me to get P67 not x58

Post Date: 2011-05-07

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  Quote bishamon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Convince me to get P67 not x58
    Posted: 07 May 2011 at 8:20pm
I've read some reviews, and looked through the forums here and guru3d, and it seems like gamers (and this site) prefer the sandy bridge setup now that the bad problems of some early batches are supposedly sorted out. I want to clear a couple points and ask for consolidated set of facts on why P67 would be a good choice for my next computer (I am still not sure of it).

It seems like they can overclock way way more than the x58 while needing less cooling upgrades...sounds like a win win? Anyone run these at 4.4 GHz speeds for a long time to know if they can last (I keep computers at least 4 years and have never had to replace a mobo yet).

The mobos seem weak to me, however, compared to x58 offerings. Less bells and whistles. Also, the PCI slots for dual SLI seem no good, most are x8/x8, and with x58 boards you can get x16/x16 on some. Seems like you're sacrificing gpu speed for a little more MHz cpu (and getting into the upper 3.x GHz anyway with an x58 the cpu is not really the bottle neck for fast smooth framerates)?

I don't know, just tell me in one place why the P67 trumps the x58s out now. It just seems shadier to me, but I'm not a techy. Thanks.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 May 2011 at 8:55pm
There is nothing shady about a newer platform that has more power than the old.

take the reviews with a grain of salt, they are not tested the same as how we use our pcs, eg, they run one software at a time on their benches, we have a bunch running in the background, like av, as, firewall, etc.

second, your pc does a lot more then just gaming even if you do use it for just gaming.

but even in gaming a 2600k trumps all other cpus.

yes the new SB line, runs much cooler, can oc higher much easier.

in short my 980x has oc of 4.4 with a high vcore, the same vcore would be seen in the 2600K at around 4.9GHz big difference, that means at 4.4Ghz the 2600K has a nice low vcore, heat and vcore is what kills your cpu, the SB cpus have lower of both, so they last longer.

with load temps under 80c, and vcore of around 1.42 and lower, the cpu will live at least 8 years.

the cpus have been out only for months, so you are not gonna find anybody that has been running them for 4.4GHz for a long time, however the system is under warranty for one year, you can make the hardware warranty longer if you like.

Its easy to make the mistake of thinking that the x58 will out perform the p67 in dual sli due to x8/x8 pci lanes of p67, but if you check it out, you will see that there is no noticeable difference in dual sli at 1900 x 1200 between p67 and x58, if anything the p67 should win due to the fact that the cpu is more powerful and brings more fps to the table. The reason for this is because right now the gpus don't need/use x16 bandwidth, all they need right now is x8.

p67's only shortcoming right now is tri sli, we dont' recommend it for tri sli, because its a mid range of SB platform, its does not do great in tri sli, the highend platform of the SB is due out in Q4 of this year, and it will eat the x58 for snack in tri sli, and cpu performance, it will bring 6 core and 8 core cpus that will make my 6 core i7 x58 platform cry like a bitch. Already in many things the 4 core 2600K beats my 6 core 980x, so I can't imagine what the 6 core and 8 core higher end version of the cpu will do.

in the end right now for same price or maybe even less you can get a more powerful pc, look at the 2 builds below, the p67 is more powerful and has more ram:

x58 system:

Here you go Ticket# 537508 --- $2144 (To see this build click here)

p67 system:

Here you go Ticket# 537509 --- $2159 (To see this build click here)

So in short, to convince you, I ask you only one thing:

Why would you pay the same amount and get a lesser pc?



Edited by DST4ME - 07 May 2011 at 8:59pm
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  Quote bishamon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 May 2011 at 11:14pm
Thanks, that makes more sense to me now why the P67 can overclock more safely. If I think of it more like fluid dynamics the P67 flow capacity is upped and resistance to flow is reduced, so a given voltage 'pressure' sends more info down the pipe than it would in an x58 system.  The increased theoretical lifetime at a given GHz is also appealing. I guess I'll look into those for the new system then ($4k budget).

Oh, and what's the deal with the SB sets going with RAM in multiples of 4, and the X58 in multiples of 3? How crucial is trichannel RAM?


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  Quote Vaude Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 May 2011 at 11:22pm
in short, Cheaper, cooler, faster, better.
HAF 932
ENGTX570DCII
ASUS P8P67
2500k@ 3.3
8GB DDR3 1600Mhz
TX750
Nh-U12p SE2
Arrived in late may.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 May 2011 at 3:27am
Ram difference for most uses is not that big of a difference, and what ever difference it makes, it gets lost between all the other powerful areas, also the dual channel of SB does very well against the tri channel of x58.
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