Cooling ConcernsPost Date: 2007-10-07 |
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Mysty 
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 Topic: Cooling ConcernsPosted: 07 Oct 2007 at 9:57am |
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Well Im still putting together my Rig; and Im not going to list all the parts; but its basically the top of the line of everything. Now Im planning on putting in at least 1 nvidia 8800 Ultra; In my original Configuration I was going for 2 of these cards - and yes everything else Ive chosen for the Rig can handle it.
But my main concern is cooling; I want Air Cooling; so im going for the Ultimate Case which is great for Air cooling; but Ive been doing alot of research on the card; and overall customer opinions seem to state it's a card that runs really hot; and most of these reviewers say to go for Liquid Cooling. So now Im concerned; cause I really dont know anything about Liquid Cooling; and although Ive read great things about it; Ive also read tons of horror stories too; leakage, etc.
Would love to hear from some people that are using this card; and what you think; would be interested in hearing the exact degree the card is running at as well; and if I did decide to go with SLI would I then have no choice but to go for Liquid Cooling.
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Kelly
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Posted: 07 Oct 2007 at 11:00am |
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This card is designed to handle heat. So as long as you have a machine that's properly ventiliated, you will be fine.
But if cooling is of a major concern, I would get the ultra case (stacker 830 by coolermaster) with the optional 5 120mm case fans.
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Mysty
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Posted: 07 Oct 2007 at 9:55pm |
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Well since you were the one I talked to on the phone 2 days ago; we decided to use the Ultra Case; but after reading about the heat on the card I got concerned that Air may not be enough; but I have no problem trusting the #3 Air cooling options; as long as you know it will keep one as well as 2 cards cool enough.
Is this case big enough for a total of 3 hard drives as well. And I think im also going to add the physics card too.
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Phreak
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Posted: 07 Oct 2007 at 10:03pm |
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EXTREME case has better airflow than the ULTRA.
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Kelly
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Posted: 07 Oct 2007 at 10:20pm |
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Phreak, that is not true. Sure, there's a fan in the center of the case, but if you want better cooling, the Ultra case is the best way to go. It has 7 (count them 7) 120 mm case fans. how is that not optimal cooling?
Mysty,
Like I said. The card is designed to handle heat or the manufacturers wouldn't release them. THe Ultra cards are just fine with stock cooling.
The case is big enough for all 7 of my hdds. DO NOT GET THE PHYSICS CARD
your system will gain better performance with the X-FI Fatal1ty Soundcard than it would with a physx cardl.
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Bigdog
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Posted: 07 Oct 2007 at 11:22pm |
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Darnit, I need to call you guys tomorrow because of a difference of address. I want to change my "RIG" if thats not a problem. I should of listened to you when you emailed me. I asked you "be brutally honest, Do I really need liquid cooling". As weird and stupid as I can get I decided to go with liquid cooling, I got the QX6800 extreme 3.33ghz with 1 raptor 150gb, 2x 8800GTS 640mb.
Now I want the 300gb raptor raid 0 setup, with 2x 8800GTX (no ultra)768mb.
my old setup that is still going through cause I have to call tomorrow to ensure the address since it's different.
Specifications:
Case: Digital Storm Twister ULTRA (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish) Power Supply: 1000W Thermaltake (8800 GTX SLI Compatible) (Silent Toughpower Edition) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad (TwisterBoost Enhanced) QX6800 Extreme 3.33GHz (1333MHz FSB) Motherboard: nVidia 680i Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 680i SLI) (A1 Revision) Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair at 1066MHz Dominator (Dual Channel) (Extreme-Performance) Floppy / Media: Digital Media Card Reader (Black) Hard Drive 1: 150GB Western Digital Raptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x) Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Modem: - No Thanks Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (nVidia GeForce 8800GTS 640MB (By: eVGA / Asus) (PCI-Express) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Motherboard Multi-Channel High Definition Audio (7.1 Channel) Physics Card: - No Thanks Cooling: Liquid Chilled CPU & Video Cards (TwisterBoost Overclocked) (Artic Blue Liquid) Case Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Green Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Round Cables: Enhanced Interior Air Flow (Optical Drive & Floppy Cables (Blue Edition) User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals) Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: APC 650VA Uninterruptible Backup Power Surge Conditioner (Recommended) Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard (Highly Recommended) I highly doubt I need liquid cooling and like you said to me kelly, "it's pretty much for bragging rights unless I am going to overclock a huge amount".
my new setup I am wanting now since I took off the liquid thing is this.
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Case: Digital Storm Twister ULTRA (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish) Power Supply: 1000W Thermaltake (8800 GTX SLI Compatible) (Silent Toughpower Edition) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad (TwisterBoost Enhanced) QX6800 Extreme 3.33GHz (1333MHz FSB) Motherboard: nVidia 680i Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 680i SLI) (A1 Revision) Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair at 1066MHz Dominator (Dual Channel) (Extreme-Performance) Floppy / Media: Digital Media Card Reader (Black) Hard Drive 1: 150GB Western Digital Raptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x) Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Modem: - No Thanks Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (nVidia GeForce 8800GTX 768MB (By: eVGA / Asus) (PCI-Express) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Motherboard Multi-Channel High Definition Audio (7.1 Channel) Physics Card: - No Thanks Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink (Copper Heatpipes) Case Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Green Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Round Cables: Enhanced Interior Air Flow (Optical Drive & Floppy Cables (Blue Edition) User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals) Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks LCD Display: Samsung 22 inch (Widescreen) (Black) (High-Performance Gaming Display) Surge Shield: APC 650VA Uninterruptible Backup Power Surge Conditioner (Recommended) Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard (Highly Recommended) So really I don't need any liquid cooling unless I am going to overclock like mad, am I right?
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Processor: QX6850 (3.3Ghz)
RAM: 4GB 1066 Dominators Graphics: 2x 8800GTX 768MB Sound Card: Fatal1ty HDD 1: 2x 150GB raptor (RAID 0) HDD 2: 1x 150GB raptor HDD 3: 320GB western Liquid cooling (red) |
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Kelly
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Posted: 07 Oct 2007 at 11:41pm |
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Phreak
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 12:03am |
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well i was told on the phone that the EXTREME case by far had better air circulation and cooling, and the ULTRA was better for liquid cooling.
Edited by Phreak - 08 Oct 2007 at 12:04am |
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Kelly
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 12:07am |
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The Extreme has a better fan setup. But I stand by that the ultra has the ultimate cooling if a person was to spend the extra $50 and get the 5 optional fans.
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 1:08am |
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They're both extremely good air cooling cases.
Ultra: up to 9 120mm fans supported. Up to 4 side mounted, 3 front, 1 top, 1 rear.
Extreme: up to 5 120mm fans supported. Up to 1 front, 1 side, 1 rear, and 2 top mounted fans. There is additional engineering involved to direct airflow above what the number of fans indicates in this case (though 5*120mm is pretty fierce)
They're both excellent cases. I'm not surprised different DS techs have differing opinions on which one is better.
 More fans are not neccesarily better. Barry's Rigs and Reviews did a side by side of these two cases here:
In the review, the Extreme (TJ-09) edges out the Ultra (CM830) by a small margin at idle and lost by a small margin under load, but this is with out of the box cooling. They are *both* capable of better performance when adding more fans.
I honestly do not see how you could make a wrong choice between the two cases if you're looking to air cool. From the reviews I could find on each, they are both quite capable of keeping almost any setup running within acceptable limits even without additional fans mounted.
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Bigdog
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 1:14am |
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Kelly, I didn't see that option for extra fans on there? where is that option, or do I have to call for it? |
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Processor: QX6850 (3.3Ghz)
RAM: 4GB 1066 Dominators Graphics: 2x 8800GTX 768MB Sound Card: Fatal1ty HDD 1: 2x 150GB raptor (RAID 0) HDD 2: 1x 150GB raptor HDD 3: 320GB western Liquid cooling (red) |
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Kelly
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 1:16am |
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thanks for that link, Tyler.
I do prefer the Ultra just because I like my cases big, cool, and aluminum.
But you're right. Buck for Buck both cases are superb. I am just an over opinionated and stubborn guy ;)
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Kelly
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 1:16am |
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Bigdog, yes, you do have to just call us and we'll add that to your order. :)
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Bigdog
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 2:32am |
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ok Kelly, What time do you work tomorrow so I can ask for ya. If I am taking out the liquid cooling that is going to justify an extra +600 bucks put whatever else I want in that. |
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Processor: QX6850 (3.3Ghz)
RAM: 4GB 1066 Dominators Graphics: 2x 8800GTX 768MB Sound Card: Fatal1ty HDD 1: 2x 150GB raptor (RAID 0) HDD 2: 1x 150GB raptor HDD 3: 320GB western Liquid cooling (red) |
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Kelly
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 2:35am |
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9-5 :)
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Bigdog
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 2:45am |
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AWESOME!!!!. |
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Processor: QX6850 (3.3Ghz)
RAM: 4GB 1066 Dominators Graphics: 2x 8800GTX 768MB Sound Card: Fatal1ty HDD 1: 2x 150GB raptor (RAID 0) HDD 2: 1x 150GB raptor HDD 3: 320GB western Liquid cooling (red) |
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Mysty
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 8:03am |
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Kelly also have another ?; is it better to go 64bit; or just stick with 32bit; I would say my computer is mainly a gaming computer; but if I decide to put my Online Business back up then I am constantly taking new Pics; editing them, etc; usually have at least 1000 - 2000 pics on my HD. (by the way in case you dont remember Im Chris; we spoke on the phone a few days ago)
Im going for the #3 cooling plus any xtra fans you feel would be good to put in.
What do you think about 2 150g raptors; and 500g HD that should be enough wouldnt you think.
As far as Soundcards I was just going for the same one I have now which is X-fi extreme gamer.
Also could you suggest Software for Burning DVD's/CD's; Im not the one who uses it much; my son does; but want something easy to use; but good. Do you sell optional Software at all. Right Now Im using NTI its ok; but would prefer something a little better.
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Kelly
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 10:08am |
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I personally would stick with a 32bit os.
As far as hdds, here's how I have my setup.
1x 150 Raptor for OS and main programs
2x 150 Raptor in raid 0 for games only
2x 500 WD 7200 (regular hdds) in raid 0 for programs and storage.
But that's just me.
As far as sound, I'd go with the Fatal1ty card. With the onboard 64MB of ram, it squeezes out more FPS and your system will perform better with it.
As far as burning software, I think we have Nero. Call me today and we'll discuss.
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Bill the Cat
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 10:12am |
Stick with a 32-bit OS. I don't see the connection, but for what it's worth, I have tens of thousands of JPGs, MP3s and and other files on each of my XP based machines. They each have 650 Gig of disk storage, which is considerably more than needed. Image editing performance is largely a function of CPU horsepower and RAM.
I'd like to see sombody (hint hint) get three Raptors. Use one for a boot drive and secure data. Make a raid0 array out of the other two. I assume that if you're taking pictures for the Web, then they're not huge files. 450 Gig ought to be enough room.
I like Winamp for burning audio CDs. I use Nero for making DVDs and data CDs just cause it was bundled with the optical drives I bought once upon a time. IMHO, that DSOs optical drives don't come with software is the most annoying thing about the computers. Of course, you can always get by with Windows native burning capability....
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Kelly
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 10:30am |
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I have 3 raptors. 1 os, 2 raid0. I am actually trying to get a 32GB raptor for strictly page file :)
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 1:50pm |
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^Has a dinosaur park in his computer!
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thecomplex
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 1:57pm |
How much would have a dedicated drive for the page file affect performance? Chris |
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Kelly
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 2:05pm |
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I doubt by much, but hey... why not try? :-P
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Mysty
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 2:26pm |
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Why would you get 2 OS's; I will be able to transfer everything on my present Rig which is Win XP Pro; onto a new Vista OS with any issues right?
Does having 2 different OS's cause more configuration issues; or in actuality is it looked at like almost 2 seperate desktops. I just never really considered doing it; I realize now i got to stop talking to people; cause everyone has a different opinion and their wants and needs are different than mine.
I have a fairly good idea of the purpose of different OS's; for instance i have a few games I cant play on XP; but only on Win 98. So is that the main reason for a different OS. How does a computer Boot up; 1 at a time; or do you choose which one to manually boot up after the main system boots up; as you can see I really dont know much about it; but dosent seem that complicated.
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Stonevulture
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 2:48pm |
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You can install a little boot manager that lets you pick which OS you want to boot into. For example, you power on you computer, and after the POST you're given a small text menu:
1. Windows XP 2. Windows Vista 32-bit 3. Windows Vista 64-bit 4. etc. Then you select one and go. One thing to bear in mind is that you'll need either different drives (probably overkill) or at least different partitions for each OS. So if you get a 250 gig drive and want to install 5 different OSes, you'll have to split it into 5 different partitions (e.g. 5x 50gig). You may or may not be able to access some/all of the partitions that don't have the OS you're currently using installed on them depending on which filesystems are in use, security settings, etc. To answer your question about why people do it, the most common form of multi-OS installations I've seen have not been 2 different flavors of Windows, but rather one Windows OS installation for games and a Linux installation for everything else useful. If you don't need Windows' user-friendliness, then Linux is generally thought of as more secure, more configurable, able to squeeze more power out of your hardware (particularly CPU and RAM), and - depending on which drivers you need - is immensely more stable and less crash-prone. |
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Mysty
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 3:05pm |
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Ive Actually never considered Linux to be honest; microsoft has cornered the market for as far back as I can remember that everthing else gets a passing glance from me. I remember when Athlon first came out; that was a big step going from Intel to Athlon; and actually Ive been an Athlon Woman ever since; well that is until this build. Intel came back with a Vengence; its killing me mentally to go back to Intel. I personally wish Athlon had a comparable product and im sure they will; but at this time they dont. Maybe Ill read up a little on Linux.
I plan on going with 3 HD's; 2 raptors; One reason I may consider the 2 OS's as well is due to the fact my kids jump on my rig even though they all have their own; guess mine is always faster and better; rofl. So when I leave it on I can just leave the one OS on for them; and turn on what I want when I get on; actually may be a good idea; cause after they come on my comptuer I always do a scan; my son goes to sites I prefer to not mention; and my daughter is a myspace freak; so I make sure to clean up after they are on; or my rig would be totally bugged. So the 2 OS may be the way to go. hmm something to think about now; i have a few weeks before I order so it gives me time to think.
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Kelly
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 5:40pm |
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Mysty, Before you make any decisions and you're ready to order, call me.
We'll descuss the configuration when you're ready.
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Posted: 08 Oct 2007 at 7:51pm |
Set a password on your PC will keep the kids away
or you can set a limited guest account for them and that would also solve your problems. |
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