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    Posted: 20 Jan 2008 at 8:57am
I am looking to order a new system from Digital Storm in the next few days, but before doing so, I had a few questions.

I am an avid gamer and enjoy the whole gamut of games, ranging from RTS's to FPS's to MMO's, etc.  I am looking to buy a system that not only offers screaming performance, but I also want to future proof the system
as much as possible for future upgrades and whatnot.

My budget is around $2900 or so, maybe a bit more or a bit less.

So here are my questions:

1) If I want to future proof any potential system as much as possible, in terms of being capable of handing the newer quad cores when they are release a bit later this year, then what Motherboard should I be looking at?  I had heard that only certain ones will support the newer dual and quad cores coming out.

2) I was leaning toward a 750W power supply or better, since I intend to configure an SLI system or crossfire system and like I said, I definitely want to be future proofed.  Any reason I would need more power than this?

3) I currently have a 24 inch LCD and want the best performance possible for a decent price, so I was leaning toward two 8800 GT 512's in SLI or two Radeon HD 3870's in crossfire.  I guess which would depend on the motherboard, so I guess this question and number one are linked.  Which would offer the best performance/price ration, keeping in mind stability as well?

4) I heard that the new dual cores should be out soon and offer up some nifty performance, I was wondering if I should wait and get one of them as opposed to a current, older quad core for now, as I will use my system primarily for gaming and have heard that most game applications do not make full use of quad cores.

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  Quote skyR Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Jan 2008 at 11:00am
1. The 780i and Maximus Formula (X38) supports the new duos and quads being released this quarter.

2. 750w will be fine for a two GPU setup. If you have plans on doing tri-SLI or CrossfireX, I would recommend a bigger one.

3. The 8800GT has the best performance/price ratio.

4. The new duo cores was just released this weekend. The new duos are amazing overclockers so if you don't overclock, it doesn't really matter. The performance between a e6850 and e8500 is probably only like 4 fps.
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  Quote Anon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Jan 2008 at 11:16am
Thanks for the information skyR.

As for the 8800 GT...it looks like several people in these forums have been experiencing issues with them and Alex has made several posts about it being hard to find "good" ones?  Should this affect my decision to include them in a potential build?

Also, in terms of the new duo cores, when would they become available via Digital Storm?  Any idea?
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Two 3870's in crossfire will give an SLi'd pair of 8800GT's a run for their money. They are *very* close in performance in a DX 10 environment. If you're talking purely performance, yes, the 8800GT's have a slight edge. If  you're talking reliability as well, these things are somewhat hard to gauge, but judging from feedback on these products I have read around the web, the HD3870's have been less problematic.
 
The dual cooling slot solution also lends itself to lower overall case temperatures. Personally, I would go for the Maximus Formula, and crossfire the HD3870's. ATI is dedicating their high end to multi GPU support. X-Fire will be their highend, rather than developing increasingly expensive products. To me, this means they will be fully focused on multi GPU driver support.
 
The Intel chipsets are also true PCI-e 2.0, not PCI-e 2.0 run across a PCI-e 1.0 bridge like the new NVidia chipsets. If this is the price range you see yourself in for GPU's (200-300 each) both now, and when you replace the cards down the road, I would just go for the better memory control and stability of the Intel motherboard. It will support all Penryns, dual core, or quad.
 
On the power supply, unless you want to run a 3 card multi GPU setup, that 750W unit will be fine.
 
I haven't bothered digging up benchmarks yet for Wolfdale, but they should be *screaming* fast out of the box and tremendous overclockers. Here again, the ASUS board supports FSB to 2000 MHz, while the NVidia boards can struggle with 1600.
 
Opinions will vary, naturally. I love my 680i motherboard, and my Q6600 CPU, but for gaming, a dual core does everything a quad will, and the GPU's are the bottleneck, *not* the CPU's anyway. There's a link to benchmarks of the QX9650 on the general discussion board. Check out the last section on gaming.
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  Quote Anon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Jan 2008 at 12:35pm
Thanks for the feedback, Tyler.

I have been doing some research on both the 3870's and the 8800gt's and they both seem to have some degree of issues.  For example, many cases on these forums point to bad batches of 8800gt's, while on Toms Hardware many posters talk of fan issues with the 3870's.  I would hate to have to bump up to 8800GTS's just to avoid these issues :(

Couple more questions...

Would the Maximus Formula also support the newer duos and quads when they arrive?

Is 750W fine or is it overkill on the type of system I am looking at (ie. SLI or Crossfire, low end quad OC'd or new core duo OC'd, couple of hard drives, couple of opticals, etc.)?

Also, leaning toward the extreme case at the moment, which should be fine for cooling an overclocked system as outlined above?

Thanks again.
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  Quote skyR Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Jan 2008 at 1:25pm
The Maximus Formula will support the new duos and quads that arrive this quarter.

750W is fine.

There are fan issues with 8800GT as well so...
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