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    Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 7:03pm
I see their is much debate online as to how one should apply thermal compound on their CPU.  I tried to search this forum for peoples opinions but could not find anything.
 
What way have people had the most success with on this forum?  Line, dot, cross or just spreading it out?
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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 7:17pm
hm drop about a pea size of it in the center, then (i wouldnt recommend if you've never spread before) use a razor to gently spread out the thermal.
 
so basically a tiny amount of dot and evenly spread it out.
 
can I ask what type of thermal compound you're using ?
some after market compounds are specifically for a certain type of use, even if they all seem the same.
 
oh and the reason why i never recommend Line/cross/square droppings is because once you apply the heatsink, you have to remember it gets so tightly pressed on, it's almost as if there is absolutely no more gap in between the two surfaces, that's what the compound is for, to fill in that tiny little gap


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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 7:37pm
no matter what method you use, I always pull the heatsink off to make sure I have good contact, before calling it good.  I have found that to be the most importnt part of getting a godd mount.
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  Quote AndydViking Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 7:41pm
I'm not using any coumpound yet.  I am just asking for future reference if I feel the need to switch my CPU cooler.  Basically I'm a noob trying to take my time and do a bit of research before I just dive in on stuff. 
 
I have watched many videos online and people have a broad spectrum of idea regarding application of thermal compound.  So I just wanted to ask the knowledgeable people here and get their reasoning as to why they like a particular method before I even contemplate removing my CPU cooler.
 
Thanks for your response!  Also, what paste do you prefer?


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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 7:51pm

Oh , well I go with the dot, gets less messy = better lol, should make sense if that thermal starts to leak around , could cause bad news later on.

uh.. I use Arctic Chill, mx2 i think. I have a bunch of thermal grease laying around, and would have to check (at work currently)
Well for my CPU anyways.
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MX2 is very easy to use, and has very good results.. There are some pastes that get better temps, but they are very thick and harder to get a good mount.. For a first timer I would highly recomend MX2

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  Quote philiporphillip Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 8:01pm
i would apply just a pea size drop in the center. after you put the heat sink in, the pressure will expand the pea size paste over the surface.

how did the knowledgeable people become knowledgeable? they 1st became noobs.
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  Quote AndydViking Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 8:04pm
Thanks guys this is good info.  Do you think it's worth switching my asetec CPU cooler with my reatively mild overclock of 3.3?  My temps seem to be good however it seems their are better cooling options like the noctua line people are talking about.
 
Or should I leave it alone?


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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 8:06pm

I would imagine your temps are good, so I don't see any reason to swap it.  If you were going for a 4.5Ghz+ overclock then yes, but then air cooling would be out also.. lol

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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 8:07pm
Originally posted by AndydViking

Thanks guys this is good info.  Do you think it's worth switching my asetec CPU cooler with my reatively mild overclock of 3.3?  My temps seem to be good however it seems their are better cooling options like the noctua line people are talking about.
 
well what is the current temp ?
theres always gonna be some better option for cooling, as something new for cooling solutions also get released, but if your current cooling is doing its job of cooling well and keep your mild OC stable (and im sure you can OC higher with that cooler)
Why fix what's not broken.
I'd only switch it off if it's getting extreme and making me worried.
 
but then again, who am I to say anything , I replace and rebuild or repurchase new stuff every 6-8 months
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  Quote AndydViking Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 8:19pm

I forget exactly what the temps are (I'm a work right now) but I'm thinking CPU is around 36 degrees celcius (not under load though) last time I ran all my temp programs.  That 36 degrees is for core1 and the other 3 cores are slightly lower.

Yes I agree with not fixing what is broken.  This is only something I'd do months down the road if it's needed at all.
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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 8:29pm
ah ic, well the choice you had on noctua is good, they probably make the best air coolers around, + silent +good static +lighter than a few in the same class +easier to install than a few.
but they sure are pricey. but eventually I think you'll start looking at good LC kits.
and be like justin.kerr making monster OC results
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 8:31pm
idle temps mean nothing.. only load temps using a stress test program.
The only reason you would "need" to change it, would be if you wanted a much higher overclock, but that would mean a water cooling setup.. So .. lol be happy, if you wish later to push the overclock higher, you should be able to go more before you are heat limited.
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  Quote AndydViking Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 8:51pm
Hey thanks guys.  Thanks Justin for the reassurance.  Thanks to all of you especially for bearing with my "noobness" when I ask these questions.  Just wanted to make sure that the asetec LCLC was OK for now. 
 
KYU it's probably gonna be a while before I can compare myself in knowledge to Justin or you or DST4ME for a while lol.  Just glad you guys answer me on stuff that I'm sure you are way beyond and is prolly rather boring to you at this point.
 
I have a few junk PC's that people have given me so I will practice pulling them apart and applying the thermal compound. 
 
Also, what the best program to stress test the CPU for temps?  any freeware?


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  Quote AndydViking Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Dec 2009 at 9:10pm
Awesome!
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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Dec 2009 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by AndydViking

Hey thanks guys.  Thanks Justin for the reassurance.  Thanks to all of you especially for bearing with my "noobness" when I ask these questions.  Just wanted to make sure that the asetec LCLC was OK for now. 
 
KYU it's probably gonna be a while before I can compare myself in knowledge to Justin or you or DST4ME for a while lol.  Just glad you guys answer me on stuff that I'm sure you are way beyond and is prolly rather boring to you at this point.
 
I have a few junk PC's that people have given me so I will practice pulling them apart and applying the thermal compound. 
 
Also, what the best program to stress test the CPU for temps?  any freeware?
 
 
You're very welcome, and believe me, I'm not that far ahead in knowledge.
Just easy to catch on, I learned through experiences of building my pc since I was 12.
 
and the apps that justin has layed out is pretty much the best ones you'd wanna use
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  Quote joema Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 7:59am
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...Just wanted to make sure that the asetec LCLC was OK for now...

As already stated if your load temps are OK (say under 70C) that's all you need.

If you want a higher overclock there are two limits: the electronic limit and thermal limit. You can reach either independently. Better cooling will usually only help if you're hitting the thermal limit for your CPU.

Re thermal compound for the Asetek, it comes with its own thermal compound pre-applied.

If you want to remove and re-apply different compound, that's possible. Both CPU and waterblock should be carefully cleaned first. I use ArctiClean by Arctic Silver: http://www.arcticsilver.com/arcticlean.htm

Re application method, Arctic Silver recommends the "line" method for i7 processors: http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

That said, I had the Asetek LCLC 240mm cooler, removed and re-applied Arctic Silver 5 twice according to the instructions, and it didn't make any difference.

There's often a tendency to apply too much thermal compound. A literal "pea size" is too much -- a green pea is pretty big. Use only enough to mostly cover the CPU head spreader after applying the heat sink. Ideally remove to inspect, clean, then (if satisfied) re-apply the same way.

I ultimately went to a Noctua NH-D14, which was a vast improvement -- much quieter and better cooling. My temps on Prime95 dropped from about mid-80s to roughly low 70s. It cools so well I usually run it in "ultra quiet" mode with fans at 850 rpm. It's virtually silent.

Re temperature monitoring, I recommmend Realtemp. When doing load tests, use the data logging function of Realtemp which exports to a .csv file.

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  Quote AndydViking Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 3:49pm
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I ultimately went to a Noctua NH-D14, which was a vast improvement -- .
Yes I had read your post and it is ultimatly what prompted me to consider switching my cooling out and trying for a higher overclock.  I have 3.3 right now.  My temps seem real good right now and I really think I am going to get a better GPU first because I'm happy with my processor speed atm.  Of course their is always that desire to tinker around :-)
 
I'm saving my cash for a 5970.  I hope Nvidia comes out with their stuff by the time before I buy so i can compare.
 
Also, one other thing thats making me pause on the better cooling/higher overclock (besides temps being good now) is that apparently my matx board has a hot northbridge reputation (it's not hot atm) and I'm afraid that the noctua would cover up the case fan I have running over it.  Thus actually making things hotter for me.  I'd have to think that out a bit. 
 
Thanks for posting all the info that you did with the cooler swap.
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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 4:02pm
you're northbridge chip shouldn't get too hot even with the noctua on it.
that northbridge would get hot and beyond warm if you're overclocking extremely and you're pushing its limits
 
but seeing how you're only at 3.3ghz and probably only minor oc on rest, your northbridge should be fine.
 
also you mentioned that you had a fan on it ? usually they are fine ust with a giant heatsink
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  Quote AndydViking Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 4:21pm

@kyu

I have one of the side fans on my case blowing directly on it.  Thats how DS set it up. 
 
Your right my temps are fine right now, no problem there. 
 
I was just concerned about going to a much higher overclock with the large noctua covering the northbridge up and not allowing for any active cooling of that northbridge. 
 
I'm betting you are correct that I would still be in the clear temp. wise, I was just concerned.


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  Quote AndydViking Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 10:02pm
@joema
 
do you need to remove the motherboard to put that noctua on?  I see that you in fact did, but do you have to given that the HAF 922 has a hole in the motherboard tray?


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Here are my temps.  I think they look good.  So I definitely don't think I need to swap my CPU cooler anytime soon.


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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Dec 2009 at 11:46am
looking good there bro, and to install a noctua or similar size Heatsink
You should remove the motherboard for safer installation.
These come with backplates, its not like how the cheap LGA775 sockets use to be (stock heatsink)
 
should remove and install, then do a quick check to make sure everything is in tight, then slowly place it back. I've actually seen a motherboard broken in half supposedly he said the heatsink was too heavey but I think he was just struggling to install it inside his pc lol
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  Quote AndydViking Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Dec 2009 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by Kyu

looking good there bro, and to install a noctua or similar size Heatsink
You should remove the motherboard for safer installation.
These come with backplates, its not like how the cheap LGA775 sockets use to be (stock heatsink)
 
should remove and install, then do a quick check to make sure everything is in tight, then slowly place it back. I've actually seen a motherboard broken in half supposedly he said the heatsink was too heavey but I think he was just struggling to install it inside his pc lol
 
Thanks.  Do you still feel I have room to overclock a bit more on this cooler given my temps?  How much higher would I have to go from my 3.3 to make a difference?


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