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    Posted: 31 Mar 2008 at 1:34pm
With all this bad stuff happening, and many people removing creative products from their "to buy" list, will DS follow suite? I hope so, because it would show DS's support of fellow gamers, and not constricting companys. If they do not, can I request a card from another manufacturer? 
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Yes, you can request other parts by calling them.
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  Quote Thx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Mar 2008 at 4:36pm
Thats good. Know of any other brands with good sound cards? I looked at some at newegg, but most of them were in the 200-300 range...
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  Quote SunfighterLC Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Mar 2008 at 4:42pm
Whats wrong with creative?
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  Quote Thx Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Mar 2008 at 5:00pm
Long story. They weren't making any new drivers for their cards, and as a result, they weren't very compatible with vista. This guy started making drivers for them, and started distributing them for free. He was in the best intrest for both creative, and the gaming community, but some ceo of creative shut him down and laid copywrite infringement laws upon his head. This was 2 days ago, and now there's a massive movement against creative because they are so anti-consumer. I dont really feel that strongly about it (there's pics online of people snapping their fatility's in half) but I think the least i could do would be to not buy their products.
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  Quote EdH63 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Mar 2008 at 7:32pm
I'll tell you what, I'd shut the guy down also when he's legally incorrect.  I don't care what "the consumer" thinks about Creative.  The consumer has no right to break the law and make those choices for a company that has copywrite protection. You want to make a statement in this world about a product that you don't like, then don't buy it.  The consumer has more power in their ignorant hands than they realize at times. 

I have no vested interest in Creative other than I've purchased some of their products in the past and have their SC in my rig right now.  I've had zero issue with it an can't blame anything on Creative.  I have updated my driver once with this card since I have gotten it because I went online and researched.  It works wonderful with the latest update.  It just makes me sick to think that Joe Public has to defend the public from the corporate environment when there are procedures in place to make them accountable legally.

You don't like what Creative is doing?  Then stop buying their products and leave corporate justice up to the courts. The power in a democracy is the combined effort of its demographics too encourage change.  Of course, with the excellent leadership we've had in this country, it's a wonder we haven't seen mass revolution yet.

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  Quote brian Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Mar 2008 at 7:42pm
you have a good point both of you BUT ed is right. he cant just go and do that. just let the company suffer if they wont upgrade their drivers.
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Mar 2008 at 11:42pm
I agree with Ed that when it comes to making a move to protect your business, it's not a choice, it's a need. My understanding is that this person's drivers enabled Creative exclusive features on competitors' hardware. As much as I loathe the current monopolistic behavior of some of the larger manufacturers of computer hardware, the law *must* prevail. You cannot simply pick and choose which laws you like or when you would like to see them enforced. Intellectual property is still property, and the Law is intended to protect life, liberty, and property.

The only thing I will say, is no matter how loudly you may be thinking "I don't give a Censored what the consumer thinks" you can't afford to behave in a way the creates that perception. Particularly not when you are selling a product that very, very few people actually "need". This is where Creative should rethink how they have approached this situation IMO. Sometimes, it isn't what you say or do, but how it's perceived. Image is something a business may have to spend years building, and it can be destroyed in a day.
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  Quote Venture Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Mar 2008 at 11:54pm
I only have a limited understanding of this story, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think part of the uproar over this was that the products in question (older cards? I dunno) were certified as working with Vista, when in fact people who had them working in XP and then upgraded to Vista found that some of the functionality no longer worked.  It was a driver issue.  Creative didn't/wouldn't upgrade its drivers, so the community member did.  Right or not, much of the community thought Creative was forcing its consumers to upgrade, when the consumers had perfectly working pieces of equipment.
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Mar 2008 at 11:58pm
That is part of what I read as well. The objection they officially raised, from what I could tell, is over functions that were enabled on competitor's products. I wish I could remember which tech site I read the article on.

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You had a better grasp of this than I did Venture.

 I just read the first 30 of the two hundred and twenty pages of angry posts at Creative's site. The anger is definitely over Creative's lack of support for their previous generations of products. Whatever their official reasons may have been, no one cares.  Now, I at least understand the rage.

Whatever else their objections may have been, and whatever else their motivations may have been they did succeed in selling me completely on onboard audio. LOL

Thx, maybe you should look into one of the ASUS audio cards Creative seems to hold in such contempt? They apparently will at least emulate every feature the Creative cards offer.


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  Quote Venture Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Apr 2008 at 9:12am
It's not a perfect comparison, but this sort of reminded me of the outrage I felt when I discovered that Quicken (the financial software) had a "kill pill" in it that disabled certain online functionality after 2 or 3 years, unless you upgraded to the new version.  Sort of like a forced upgrade of an otherwise perfectly working product.  It was in the very fine print somewhere, so it was perfectly legal, but it angered me enough that I found a competing product that didn't gimp itself after a period of time.
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