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    Posted: 11 Oct 2007 at 2:59am
Below is the machine I just ordered moments ago. I ordered the Lite case because the Pro case is on back order and I am unable to wait. Will it work? Also, is my power supply sufficient? Did I get the correct Visa OS? I got 22" monitor as recommended by a number of you. I also went with the Quad and biggest single GPU.

I was thrilled when I got the email offering me an addition 5 percent off. I totally made my move when I got it.

What do you guys think? Will I be able play Crysis with it maxed out with DX10?

I am so excited I could burst! I have been out of PC gaming for a while because my system is so outdated and worn out. I just could not wait any longer. I researched and researched and found that Digital Storm seemed to be the top builder out there.

What is the fastest digital storm can build a system and ship it out? Is there any other component delays other than Pro case issue that I need to be aware of!

So many questions because I am so



Digital Storm Desktop 42165 Quantity: 1 $2,388.30

System Configuration:
Case: Digital Storm Twister LITE (Silver Aluminum Edition)
Power Supply: 520W Corsair HX (SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) (High-Quality Unit)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz (1066MHz FSB) (8MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 680i LT Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 680i SLI)
Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair at 667MHz (Dual Channel)
Floppy / Media: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 1: 250GB (Western Digital / Seagate) (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Modem: - No Thanks
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800ULTRA 768MB (By: eVGA / Asus) (PCI-Express)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Motherboard Multi-Channel High Definition Audio (7.1 Channel)
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 (Silent Artic Cooling (TwisterBoost Overclocked)
Case Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Green Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Round Cables: - No Thanks
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: McAfee Internet Security (Includes: AntiVirus, FireWall and AntiSpyware)
Office: - No Thanks
LCD Display: Samsung 22 inch (Widescreen) (Black) (High-Performance Gaming Display)
Surge Shield: APC SurgeArrest Personal PER7 (7 Outlet) 120V Surge Protector
Speakers: Logitech 2.1 System (Black Edition) (Model R20) (Includes Subwoofer)
Keyboard: Microsoft Multimedia Desktop 2.0 (Multimedia Keyboard + Optical Wheel Mouse)
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Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
Support: Lifetime Toll-Free Platinum Care Technical Support
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I haven't seen all that much more of a performance boost between the 8800GTX and the Ultra, Maybe you could save a few bucks there and get a more beefy power supply? I'm not a techy, so others here may advice you better. And which 22" monitor did you get? You're gonna love seeing what this new PC is gonna do for you! Its almost like you'll be playing all your old games for the first time. You're gonna see so much more than you did before. Build time is gonna be about two weeks. Be patient, it will come. I think my rig cost like 2200 bucks. I got the Q6600 with the 8800GTX 768, 2 gig ram, the upgraded mobo (not the LT), two hard drives (320 gig). System plays all my games pretty well. Frame rates are like 75 and up. It won't let me play Star Wars: Republic Commando for some reason. Bummer. But the rest of my games have played. I'm kinda wondering if i should have gotten an independent sound card as GRAW 2 has an irritating beeping sound that by only by lowering the sound quality from medium to low, went away. But that is one demanding game. Make sure you have plenty of air and space for this beast. She runs hot and needs to breath. I keep it under the desk with a fan blowing air out from behind it to help the temp. PC runs whisper quiet. Have fun!
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Should've gotten a larger power supply and changed the ram to 800mhz.

The Ultra is not worth the extra money for such little extra power.

Also the optical drive you selected won't let you burn cd/dvd's.
 
In the selections for the case's the notice for the pro case being out of stock is gone so i would assume that means it not anymore, and if it's not i'd consider that one instead.
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Posts: 214 		  Quote Monstromo Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Oct 2007 at 3:54am
I got the 22" as you recommended. I went with the Ultra as recommended by skyR. I am so psyched. I was a PC gamer back in 1993 with my first Gateway and played Doom, Doom2 and Quake. Then, that computer was obsolete after Dark Forces. I got a computer built for me with GeForce 5200 and played Medal of Honor was hooked again in 2002. Then, it became obsolete as it could not handle Battlefield 2. I upgraded to a GeFarce 5950 for $500 bucks and got burned as it became obsolete fast! But not until I was addicted to Rainbow Six Ravenshield for 2 years. But I couldn't afford to keep up with the system specs thereafter. Frustrated, I turned to console gaming.

Finally, I have reached a milestone in my life and became debt free so I could afford a high end machine. And it has been Crysis videos that have been causing me feel that PC gamer coming out in me again. So, about 6 months ago I began the process of learning what the state of the art was in gaming. The whole Games for Windows and DX10 intimidated me. But the visuals and FPS experience drew me back in! Say as Pacino would.

Now after ordering I feel like a kid again as your sig says! I feel that PC gamer in me again!

I hope that the build I chose will be a bit future proof in that the SLI capability will allow me to run the next resource intensive games that come out. I really wonder if that is true. Because I hope I just will have to slam in another 8800 ULTRA in a year or two.

That is they still make them. But one Ultra seems like it should be current for a while I hope. I probably will have upgrade my power supply too.
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Posts: 214 		  Quote Monstromo Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Oct 2007 at 3:57am
Originally posted by sundowner

Should've gotten a larger power supply and changed the ram to 800mhz.


The Ultra is not worth the extra money for such little extra power.


Also the optical drive you selected won't let you burn cd/dvd's.
 

In the selections for the case's the notice for the pro case being out of stock is gone so i would assume that means it not anymore, and if it's not i'd consider that one instead.


I got the power supply recommended by SkyR. Is it wrong? Also, he suggested the Ultra too. I purposely did not choose a burner as I don't need it now. I will throw in one at another time if I would use it.

I sent an email after I ordered about the case issue.

The RAM I chose was from skyR as well.

Did I go terribly wrong here....
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Posts: 350 		  Quote ed1371 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Oct 2007 at 4:38am
here is my take.. you did not go terribly wrong... a little tweaking could make it a little better.

what you have is a good setup however there are a couple things I would have gone with:

Power supply: seeing that you might add another card in and go SLI down the road and considering you selected the Ultra... I would have gone with at the least a 750 watt PS

ram: would have gone with at least 800 mhz.... if only to future proof it for overclocking later on. If you are new to overclocking... ram speed can be an early limit to what the rig is capable of. That chip in particular REALLY likes to be overclocked... see kellys (he works at DS) here: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=65

I also would have gone with a raptor for your HD... even if only your budget allows a single one and nothing else until you can add another "storage drive" later they are well worth it. The HDD is often overlooked when making a fast PC... think of it like a car... you upgrade one thing to make it faster but something else reaches its limit and slows it down.

Your monitor (22" samsung) is a good one... You wont believe how big and nice it looks... it takes a while to get used to such a large screen!

The Ultra in my opinion is not a waste of money... the added 100 bux can be worth it if you are planning to game and possibly go SLI later. I know there are the same old framerate arguements that come up but I dont think you ever see someone with an ultra complain that they "wasted" money on thier choice.

Even with all these changes, dont get discouraged if crysis doesnt run at 80 FPS at max settings! the game has some steep requirements and (especailly with the beta) the framerate with change dramatically at certain points in the game. Its better to put a little extra now into things then  regret them later.
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I actually have a suggestion. The links I posted in your previous thread about a Crysis system showed some recommended system requirements - one of them included some performance info about Crysis in 32- and 64-bit operating systems.

If you go back and read it again, Cevat Yerli says that Crysis performs 10-15% better per thread in 64-bit. Meaning your Q6600 (four threads) will see a 40-60% increase if you run Vista 64. Even if we assume that the actual, practical performance delta is less than that, that's still a massive boost.

If you're really that concerned about your system running Crysis, upgrading your Vista to the 64-bit version might be worth it, and the benefits will outweigh any potential compatibility issues you might experience (even though, from reading people on this board who are using 64, they are marginal or nonexistent.)

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Edited by thecomplex - 11 Oct 2007 at 8:34am
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If I recall correctly SkyR suggested that 520W PSU when your motherboard did not support SLI and you were considering an E6850. If you do not ever plan on running SLI, the 520W PSU is still plenty enough power. If you think you might at some point want to drop in a second GPU, you'll want more power than the 520W Corsair, probably the 850W Thermaltake.

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Posts: 214 		  Quote Monstromo Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Oct 2007 at 1:38pm
Tyler, you are probably right. So, I am talking with DS to get the right power supply, I think I am confusing some the different builds that have been made for me.

I think that I need that power supply that will allow me to upgrade with an additional card.

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might wanna upgrade your ram to 800mhz while your at it.
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Okay, I have finally settled on my build. I spent a bit more than I budgeted for but I wanted the fast machine for the money with the ability to upgrade for the future.

At a later time I may put in another HDD and DVD writer. But I mostly wanted be able to take advantage of SLI if and when that becomes necessary to play these most resource instensive games of the future.

I took most of the advice that was given on the forum.

Here is my final build.

Note that I did upgrade my RAM, power suppy and went with the pro case that comes in tomorrow.

System Configuration:
Case: Digital Storm Twister PRO (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 750W Thermaltake (SLI Compatible) (Silent Toughpower Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz (1066MHz FSB) (8MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 680i LT Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 680i SLI)
Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair at 1066MHz Dominator (Dual Channel) (Extreme-Performance)
Hard Drive 1: 250GB (Western Digital / Seagate) (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800ULTRA 768MB (By: eVGA / Asus) (PCI-Express)
Sound Card: Motherboard Multi-Channel High Definition Audio (7.1 Channel)
Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 (Silent Artic Cooling (TwisterBoost Overclocked)
Case Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Green Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
LCD Display: Samsung 22 inch (Widescreen) (Black) (High-Performance Gaming Display)

It seems that this is best I can do for the money.

I tried to do some of it on the cheap but apparently that isn't really a good idea to skimp on power supply, RAM and case when you have the highest end GPU and want the option for SLI later. Also, I got the 22" display and now I understand that it takes a lot of computer power to use it.

The build is about $2700. The only thing missing really is DVD writeable drive. But this computer is only going to be playing games mostly FPShooters.

Thanks for everyones help on this build. It is ordered and I hope to get it soon.
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No 64-bit?

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Do I need it, it wasn't recommended by Digital Storm....
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no you dont, you have 2 GB of RAM, 32 bit is all you need
 
i think complex is pro-64bit. lolWink


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Developers said you will see an performance increase running Crysis on Vista x64.

You can downgrade to 800MHz ram to save you the money, unless you plan on overclocking very high or upgrading to a 1666MHz rated FSB CPU in 2008.
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Hi skyR thanks for all your help recently,

I guess I really don't know what to do. Your recommendations are different than the tech I spoke to at DS earlier today. It was recommended to go with matching memory. And they know I am building this for Crysis but did not recommend 64 bit.

My question is it a good use of my money to pay for 4MB of 800MHz memory to run 64 bit Vista?

My concern was what do I need to put in here now to be run the largest video card and later be able to upgrade to SLI if I need to in the future.

I am becoming confused again! I have to make a decision so I did and went with there advice.

I wonder if Alex or Kelly would weigh in on 5413 my order number....
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You certainly don't need 64-bit Vista. And you also don't need 4GB of memory to run 64-bit Vista. I only kept recommending it because you stressed that you wanted maximimum performance in Crysis specifically, and the developers of Crysis have said (please see my previous posts in this thread) that running Crysis in 64-bit will yield very noticeable performance boosts. Definetely you don't need it though.

Maybe Phreak is right. I'm trying to justify my decision to go 64-bit by recommending it to everybody. LOL

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How is that 64 bit OS working out for you? Any troubles?
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I haven't even gotten it yet!

Haha... I should just shut up.
Honestly, I was only recommending it because it has been said that it would yield boosts specifically in Crysis.

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Edited by thecomplex - 11 Oct 2007 at 4:06pm
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The techs mean the FSB should match for the RAM and CPU.

The Q6600 is rated for a 1066MHz FSB. The FSB is quad-pumped meaning the actual FSB is 266MHz (1066 / 4). DDR2 ram is duo-pumped meaning 800MHz is actually 400MHz (800 / 2).

266 = 400

If you overclock your Q6600 to 3.0GHz, your rated FSB would be 1333MHz making the actual FSB 333MHz (1333 / 4).

333 = 400

So you still have headroom to overclock more...
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skyR you got to speak in much simpler terms to me I have no idea what you just said!

Can you dumb it down for me?
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your FSB (front side bus) is kinda like a freeway that data/instructions travel on... the speed of your ram can regulate the "speed limit" on that freeway. The faster your ram, the faster the theoretical speed limit can be.

When you overclock, the "speed limit" on your "freeway" cant be exceeded or bad things like 10 car pileups happen.

He was saying that with 800 mhz ram, you would still have the ability to overclock.

what you picked it just fine. The 1066 will work perfect for you and the motherboard and CPU you have picked.


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Now I get it!
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