Digital storm certified ramPost Date: 2010-05-31 |
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GosuHyunwoo
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Topic: Digital storm certified ram Posted: 31 May 2010 at 3:41am |
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Does anyone know if it is just generic kind of ram? Or is it just random retail brands?
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Bullseye
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Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2010 at 10:37am | ||||||||||||||||||||
I think generic cos it has no name. Just like some of the power supplies
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2010 at 11:00am | ||||||||||||||||||||
no i think they choose from whatever is in stock/the cheapest at the time, so the purpose of calling it dso ram is basically saying "you dont get to choose the brand" ram, much like the dvd/cd burners
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GosuHyunwoo
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Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2010 at 12:13pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
Oh, then would it be better to dish out the extra 150 dollars for a name brand corsair ram?
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Bullseye
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Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2010 at 12:50pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
I guess so. I mean the ram is most likely going to be good anyway but if u wanna spend 150 on a brand name thats ur choice. It is DS certified so if it isn't good u can change it anyway cos u have a warranty.
I think keep the DS certified and save that 150 for something better. But thats just my opinion |
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Alex
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Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2010 at 1:41pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
Getting 'DS Certified' memory versus Corsair does not mean your going to be lower quality ram by going with the more value option.
Your simply going to get more bang for your buck. I personally would select the 'DS Certified' memory and use the extra cash saved for upgrade elsewhere on your system.
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GosuHyunwoo
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Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2010 at 2:33pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
Oh thanks guys xD luckily I read this before i placed my order
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Bullseye
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Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2010 at 3:33pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
Your welcome. Enjoy your system
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rholyrag
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Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2010 at 5:12pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
I ordered DS certified RAM when ordering my rig, and the RAM that was installed in my rig is Super Talent RAM. This was back at the end of January, so the RAM brand may be different now.
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Dragoonseal
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Quote Reply Posted: 31 May 2010 at 6:54pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
My certified is Super Talent as well. And it runs just fine at its rated spec of 1600MHz 9-9-9-24, which is probably more than you can say for a lot of RAM brands which you can rarely even get to run at spec. DS used to exclusively use Mushkin RAM for their DS certified brand, but Mushkin was apparently unable to keep up with DS's demand for pre-tested RAM so now DS buys from a verity of different brands for their 'generic' line. It's just generic in the sense that you're not guaranteed to get any one specific brand or model when selecting it. |
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Lilim
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Bullseye
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So did you decide what to do??
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Dragoonseal
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jun 2010 at 12:36am | ||||||||||||||||||||
Alex actually just made some comments on this in another thread. He also gave some information on DS's brand of PSU.
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Lilim
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SemperFuzz
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I am glad DS offers Corsair in new Flavors now. The GT offering has some really sweet timing 7-7-7-20 and the color of the modules with the black and red look so nice paired with a evga classified board! OH BILLY! If you like looking through your computers side window at eye pleasing goodness with a high end name brand then you pay a few bucks extra, big deal. If you dont care about looks or name, then get DS brand.
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Bullseye
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DId u order the rig yet???
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Dragoonseal
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jun 2010 at 1:26am | ||||||||||||||||||||
Where the hell did you get that idea? |
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Lilim
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Bullseye
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CBK go back and read the post by Dragoonseal again. They use the most reliable and if they don't work they are certified so you can get new ones!
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SemperFuzz
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What Ram does DS use right now for their Ram? What is the average Latency ratings please? The reason i like the new Corsair GT offering is the low low 7-7-7-20 timing
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Dragoonseal
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I would think the norm for cheap DDR3 is 9-9-9-24. Not that tighter timings and higher RAM speeds don't help, but thats is definitely an area you can spend hundreds of extra dollars in with very little PC performance increase. Make sure you have enough RAM for your needs (usually 6GB) and then spend the money on CPU, GPU, SSD, cooling, or something else before you blow extra for overpriced low latency RAM. |
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Lilim
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Bullseye
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Ya SSD's are pretty important so you should consider spending alot on that
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jtwillia
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I was dissapointed in the 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Memory that shipped with my system in April. This was a Black Ops system configured by myself. I thought I was getting high performance (low latency memory).
The default memory timings were 11-11-11-29. I expressed my surprise in a phone conversation with a DS Tech named Mike. I have replaced them with Mushkin Redline:
Much better now.
Jeff Williams
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Bullseye
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Wow but at least they replaced it!
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jtwillia
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DS did NOT replace the memory. I ordered the Mushkin kit online and paid for it myself. Jeff
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justin.kerr
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jun 2010 at 3:52pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
There is no RAM that runs that ridiculous timings so, they should have ran your RAM at rated specs, but I have seen a few systems with those CAS 11 timings before, and it is not the RAM's fault, it is the person setting up the BIOS's fault.
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Bullseye
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jun 2010 at 4:49pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
Well they should've replaced it because it is DS certified. They can't certify something that doesn't work and then not replace it...
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Alex
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I'm confused here. If I understand right, you spoke with Mike at Digital Storm and he refused to replace your memory because it was defective? Or he could not upgrade your memory to a version with more aggressive timings?
I looked over your order notes and I don't see any notes about you had defective ram?
Please do help clarify the situation with me, as this is the first time I heard something like this?
The memory you purchased was our '6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified." It's value priced compared to the Corsair Dominator DHX series we offer which are more expensive and come with more aggressive timings. Edited by Alex - 04 Jun 2010 at 5:32pm |
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jtwillia
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Let me try to convey what my experience was.
First things first. I selected the components for my system based on the configurator description which for the memory stated "highly recommended" "hand tested." I inferred from this description that this would be low latency memory. That was a mistake on my part.
I contacted DS tech support about an application stability problem I was having
with Flight Simulator. I asked for help in restoring the memory overclock and graphics card overclock to their default settings. Mike was the tech who assisted me with this and I appreciated his help. It was while restoring the memory overclock to default that I expressed surprise regarding the memory latency. I advised him that I understood the timings to be below average and was dissapointed.
I did not claim that the memory was defective. I did not ask for a replacement. I got what I ordered but it was not what I expected. I looked at the memory upgrade options on the DS site and decided that I could do better by directly purchasing from Mushkin.
No criticism of Mike or any of the folks I've been in contact with at DS was intended.
If I have a recommendation it is that more information about the memory specs were available on the website. I should have asked a sales rep before finalizing my configuration.
I hope this clarifies this issue.
Regards,
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Dragoonseal
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Jtwillia, as Justin already mentioned there is no RAM with that bad of timings, they were just set that way in the BIOS mistakenly by either DS or yourself. Specifically, those are the timings that a motherboard will often set when told to detect/set RAM speeds automatically.
For example, my DS computer arrived with the usual RAM timings of 9-9-9-24. Recently I decided to work on a Performance Profile to save in the BIOS should I ever need the extra horsepower for any particularly hard to run games or applications (the results of which are listed in my signature). First step I took was to just fish through the BIOS to familiarize myself with it and to write down on a piece of paper all the DS overclock settings for a reference. I didn't change any settings, I only selected them to see what the different selectable options where and whatnot, while I wrote down all the settings. So then I boot back into Windows and now CPU-Z reports my RAM timings as 11-11-11-29, whoops! I wasn't even changing any settings but while fishing around in the options I tripped the BIOS auto detect setting for the RAM which resulted in the default slack timings, probably because it couldn't communicate with and find out what timings the RAM was supposed to run at. Anyway, it took all of 10 seconds to go back into the BIOS and manually set the timings back to 9-9-9-24. I'm sorry to hear you purchased that Mushkin RAM. Granted the timings are a little better but considering you will have almost no performance gain from it, and you already have 6GB of perfectly fine 9-9-9-24 RAM, that is a horribly tragic waste of $265. For the same price you could of gotten an 80GB Intel SSD for OS/apps from DS, and if you don't already have an SSD I absolutely guarantee you would have vastly faster performance with it than the lower timing RAM. Perhaps you have the option of getting a refund from Mushkin? |
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SemperFuzz
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Looks like Corsair GT 7-7-7-20 for me then. Thanks
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justin.kerr
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SemperFuzz
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jun 2010 at 3:53pm | ||||||||||||||||||||
Yes it is listed on the options and shown here
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SemperFuzz
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Buggy forums i did not doulble post sorry
Edited by SemperFuzz - 05 Jun 2010 at 11:35pm |
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justin.kerr
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gotcha.. did not look lol
hope it is not much of a price jump? CAS 7 at 1600 Mhz helps, CAS 6 is nice CAS 5 is pretty quick.
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