Does DS recommend a Battery Backup?Post Date: 2010-11-11 |
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Obysk
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Topic: Does DS recommend a Battery Backup?Posted: 11 Nov 2010 at 3:07pm |
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I have recently ordered my new DS rig and I was wondering if DS advises the use of a battery backup?
My system has the 1200 watt power supply and I will be using (3) 24" LCD displays, so if a battery backup is recommended what model would you guys suggest?
I have already contacted CyberPower and asked this same question and they told me that my power supply uses (PFC) so I would need to purchase the $260 model.... Does this sound right? Do you guys running high-end systems even use battery backups?
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Alex
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Posted: 11 Nov 2010 at 3:32pm |
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It's nice to have one that has built in power conditioning. APC makes some great units. You don't need to plug in the monitors to the actual battery backup.
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Obysk
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Posted: 11 Nov 2010 at 7:32pm |
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Thank you very much I will look at the APC products right now and post again if I have any other questions.
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ablahblah
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Posted: 11 Nov 2010 at 7:40pm |
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It certainly helps if you're in a power outage/brownout/overvoltage prone area. I usually use a battery backup, but I'm temporarily locating my desktop in a different place so it didnt have it. What do you know? Lightning strike, power fazes out for a second. I had a surge suppressor attached thank goodness, but I lost some work I hadn't saved, and now there's a few typos in my uploaded essay that I caught, but weren't saved, and I can't do anything about it now.
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MagiK
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Posted: 12 Nov 2010 at 11:51am |
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All my sensitive equipment, PC's LCD TV's are plugged into Battery backups, The battery part is not ESSENTIAL but you really should have some form of Power Conditioning between your gear and the Power Transformer out side.
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Tidgxor
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Posted: 12 Nov 2010 at 12:39pm |
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Alex,
Which APC model does Digital Storm offer under its configurator, I know its listed as "APC 1500VA Uninterruptible Backup Surge Conditioner (Recommended)" but do you happen to know the specific model number? |
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Alex
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Posted: 12 Nov 2010 at 1:42pm |
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I'll ask Sarah to chime in here.
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Sarah
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Posted: 12 Nov 2010 at 2:02pm |
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Let me check our inventory and I will be back with a model number.
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Obysk
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Posted: 12 Nov 2010 at 5:17pm |
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That would be awesome! It would be cool if you could provide everybody with a "if you have a 600 watt power supply, use this model, and if you have a 1200 watt power supply, use this model" type thing.
Also I keep seeing this (PFC) compatible battery backup option on both the APC website and the Cyber Power website (not the PC builder Cyber Power, the Cyber Power that manufactures battery backups www.cyberpowersystems.com). Do we need a (PFC) compatable unit?
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maxyme
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Posted: 13 Nov 2010 at 1:32am |
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I was kindof wondering about this too. does the backup DS offers support 1200w systems? because im pretty sure it doesn't.
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MagiK
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Posted: 13 Nov 2010 at 9:16am |
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Battery Backup only needs to keep you running long enough to shutdown or to smoothe out transient power fluctuations. It really shouldnt be relied upon for long term operations during power outages. Thats what having a Generator or Solar panels on the house is for
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maxyme
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Posted: 13 Nov 2010 at 12:40pm |
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but aren't they rated for a certain amount of power when the power is out?
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MagiK
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Posted: 13 Nov 2010 at 1:27pm |
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Yep but usually they are way over provisioned, you dont really need more than 2 or 3 minutes to power down safely, and the Backup units are usually good for way more than that if you are just running the PC and Monitor off it. Just because the Power Supply in the PC is rated for say 1200 watts, that does not mean you are actually drawing that much im fact you will rarely even come close to that max.. My current system with an OC'd Q6600 (at 3.2Ghz) a GTX 285 GPU that is OC'd a 30" monitor and several peripherals plugged in draws less than 700 watts when I hear power go, and start shutting things down it idles at about 300 to 400 watts... and an 900va bbu has never had any problem. I even have my floor lamp plugged into the BBU....just because the outlet is convenient.
Now Im sure theres an engineer here who might quibble with my lack of intimate details and I could go into ohms law and how power works etc, but I dont want to, takes too long and it can get very math heavy. So I deal in generalities. In general a 1200VA BBU is waaay more than you will ever need for your PC. PS. I run a laptop, 2x28" monitors, 2 1TB external HDD's a 30" TV, cable box and a phone w/ headset off a single 800va BBU Edited by MagiK - 13 Nov 2010 at 1:32pm |
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ablahblah
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Posted: 13 Nov 2010 at 2:10pm |
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True, your rig will almost never draw that much power. The only reason why I have that high of a PSU though, is that I have a couple of things jacked into it besides my rig...heh. Rig draws ~200w, then I have a mon ~50w, then speakers, and a light all to keep me functional enough so I can actually see where my mouse is when i shut down. 850w is a bit excessive, but I'm going to be upgrading soon, so I'm estimating maybe 750w peak, 650w normal usage?
If you truly need that much power support, you need to go and hunt down a beefy enough UPS. However, once you go beyond 850w limits, you go into business usage territory, which is enormously expensive. Edited by ablahblah - 13 Nov 2010 at 2:11pm |
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maxyme
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Posted: 13 Nov 2010 at 2:26pm |
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well it will probably be a rare occurance when im gaming while the power goes out i read on the apc site it has a fuse that will blow and shut of the power. do the apcs ds offers have a display showing the power being currently used?
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MagiK
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Posted: 13 Nov 2010 at 3:01pm |
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I use a Kil-o-Watt meter that I bought separately :)
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ablahblah
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Posted: 13 Nov 2010 at 3:29pm |
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Most higher APC UPS units have a LCD display that displays information without the use of a computer, like Wattage used, estimated battery runtime, event logs, and general status. Otherwise, you can use the supplied APC PowerChute program that will tell you the same thing, as well as indicating when to replace your battery (~5 years), giving you the option to run self-tests, and giving you a full event log of outages/brownouts/etc.
DS may carry the BX1500 or HX1500 as their 1500VA model, I'm not sure. Either one has an integrated LCD, I've owned both. Reading Alex's first post, you know, it makes sense to plug in your monitor. For emergencies where you need to shut down your computer, you should be plugging in everything to your battery backup that would be essential to shutting down your computer. How can you see your keyboard/mouse without a light? How can you see your mouse without a monitor? Battery backup can handle them too. For your situation, I recommend you plug in your primary display (the one with your Windows Taskbar), and leave the others plugged into your surge only outlets or just to another surge protector (not necessarily a battery backup) BX1500 on bottom left displaying wattage usage. The HX model looks a lot sleeker. ![]() Edited by ablahblah - 13 Nov 2010 at 3:33pm |
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Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 10:39am |
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Sarah
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Posted: 15 Nov 2010 at 5:14pm |
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Model number is BX1500LCD
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