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  Quote army man Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: DS finally arrived
    Posted: 14 Apr 2009 at 8:03pm
well it's finally home my new system is huge can really give a review or temps yet but i can see it on the webcam its almost as big as my daughter,my wife is taking pics so when i get home i'll load them up and give a review.
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  Quote scaner Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Apr 2009 at 9:19pm
ye..nice waiting for pic and reviewStar
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Apr 2009 at 9:59pm
congrats boss can't wait to see your pics
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  Quote army man Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 8:18pm
ok wife gave me some info on ds rig the box was a little scratched up but not to bad,the game case is in great condition,everything started up just fine,only 1 problem,the keyboard was not sent with the computer but the problem has been resolved.been shipped today

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 8:42pm
great news, well aside from the keyboard but that was an easy fix also
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  Quote BillDempsey Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 1:45pm
Congrats Man!  Can't wait to see the pics and review! Heart
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  Quote Kitijima Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Apr 2009 at 12:35am
Congratz! We anxiously await.

Bill, I was wondering because you do alot of CS3 etc. With your memory, are you not finding it efficient to run those applications? What are the wait times if any when loading it up and when you do heavy editing?

Edited by Kitijima - 17 Apr 2009 at 12:38am
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  Quote BillDempsey Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Apr 2009 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by Kitijima

Congratz! We anxiously await.

Bill, I was wondering because you do alot of CS3 etc. With your memory, are you not finding it efficient to run those applications? What are the wait times if any when loading it up and when you do heavy editing?


Well, I have good news if you are thinking about an overclocked DS system like mine. Adobe CS4 Production Premium is VASTLY faster than it was on my previous quad core hardware. The apps all run great!

I have two raid-striped Velociraptors as my OS/program drive and an overclocked i7 965, so the load time for Photoshop CS4 is maybe 2 seconds max. It's a HUGE difference from my old machine which was a Q6600 and 1TB Seagate boot drive. It used to take like 15 seconds for Photoshop CS4 to start up on that machine. Premiere Pro CS4 takes about 5 seconds to start now, which is a massive speed increase, too. I swear it took 30+ seconds on the old system.

As far as RAM usage, After Effects and Photoshop now use as much as they need thanks to 64 bit Vista. I think Premiere and the rest of the programs in Production Premium CS4 can now use 4GB each under Vista 64 because they are still mostly 32 bit. The 12 GB lets me keep 2 or 3 of the programs open at once without drive thrashing, depending on the size of the files I'm working with.

If I'm working with tons of layers and filters in Photoshop, I usually try not to open anything else. Ditto if I have a lot of HD files loaded into Premiere. Opening something else actually might not affectthis machine too much, since I have the work files split between three drives, but I like things to be instantaneous - and they really are with this system. My work habits from using it on the previous hardware have me trained not to dump too much into memory at once, I guess.

Another note, I don't know if you've worked with AVCHD files much, but on my old C2Quad system they were choppy during playback, jog, and shuttle. This system plays them smoothly in real time, even at double speed. The final renders happen in about 1/5th the time they took on my old Q6600, too. That 80% reduction in render time for HD was worth it, by itself. Those 8 threads and the higher clock speed really pay off.

I find myself experimenting more because it costs me less time to try things than it used to. Overall, I'm pretty happy with every aspect of this system.

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If you are going to let them overclock your CPU, get liquid cooling. Renders max the CPU threads for long periods so you don't want the CPU to overheat and slow down on you. I recommend the HAF 932 case (even though it's ugly) to keep everything inside the computer cooler.
I found numerous references online which said to split the work files onto 3 separete hard drives (not 3 partitions) and that also seems to help.
Make sure you get Vista 64 Ultimate so you can exceed 16GB of RAM when it comes available someday in the future. Plus, Photoshop CS4 (After Effects too, I think) is 64 bit under Vista 64 and runs much faster because it uses a lot more RAM and more registers in 64 bit mode.
Also, my Bella DV 3.0 keyboard with the job/shuttle dial on it works fine on Vista 64 with the "beta" drivers off their web site. You'll have to either set it up manually or download the Premiere configuration file from their web site along with the drivers. I set mine up manually so I could control speeds. You can order keycap stickers from them directly.

I hope this helps.
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  Quote Kitijima Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Apr 2009 at 2:24pm
Yea I have a Sony Camcorder myself and I am very familiar with AVCHD.  My system is just to slow to edit those large files.
 
I do appreciate all the information you have provided.  My only concern now is that because you are using the 965 CPU and I am leading towards the 920, it may not be enough.  What do you think?  I really don't want to break the bank.
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  Quote issues1975 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Apr 2009 at 3:00pm
Congrats army man!!!
 
I hope you enjoy your new DS rig as much as I have enjoyed mine! Ouch
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  Quote BillDempsey Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Apr 2009 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by Kitijima

Yea I have a Sony Camcorder myself and I am very familiar with AVCHD.  My system is just to slow to edit those large files.
 
I do appreciate all the information you have provided.  My only concern now is that because you are using the 965 CPU and I am leading towards the 920, it may not be enough.  What do you think?  I really don't want to break the bank.


These days, I think an overclocked 920 is every bit as good as the 965, especially once I found out the QPI multiplier isn't locked on the 920 and 940. It can be set to run the exact same 6.4 multiplier as the 965. Most times, I wish I had bought the 920 myself and spent the extra cash on something else. There is negligible difference once they are overclocked.

Let DS work their overclocking magic, and I don't think the 920 will have ANY trouble at all running the Adobe stuff just as fast as it runs for me. The biggest boost comes from having those 8 threads combined with a 3GHz+ clock rate. The velociraptors help a little, too. You are going to LOVE how that software runs on one of these DS machines.LOL It's like an entirely different experience.

Go for it ! You won't regret it.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Apr 2009 at 4:27pm
tho the 920 is not as good as a 965, once oced, a 920 can beat a stock 965 and the difference is very little, your 920 oced, will be able to do just about anything the 965 does, might be a tad bit slower but nothing you would notice

those of us that go with the 965 do so more for preference then performance

Edited by DST4ME - 17 Apr 2009 at 4:28pm
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  Quote tman5890 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Apr 2009 at 4:37pm
Hey DST, while looking in the BIOS I noticed that the 920 has an option where you can change the QPI to 6.4 GT/s from the 4.8GT/s, does that actually make a difference?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Apr 2009 at 4:53pm
that is for the 965, the 920 and 940 are at 4.8 but you can try 6.4, I doubt if you will notice a difference.

Edited by DST4ME - 17 Apr 2009 at 5:03pm
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  Quote army man Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Apr 2009 at 7:48pm
Testing Details By: Chris
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Processor Temperatures

Idle: 59C
Overnight Load: 76C
Important Notice: Overclocked systems will definitely run hotter than stock units. Your unit has been tested to be fully stable in our stress-test facility at these temperatures.

Overclocked Processor Settings

Processor Speed GHz: 3.83
CPU Multiplier: 24
Voltage CPU VCore: 1.46
VDroop Control: Yes
i7 - BCLK MHz: 160
i7 - Voltage QPI\DRAM: auto
i7 - Voltage QPI\PLL: 1.2
i7 - Voltage CPU VTT: 225
i7 - Voltage IOH Vcore: 1.475
i7 - Voltage ICH Vcore: auto
i7 - Voltage IOH/ICH I/O: auto
i7 - PWM Frequency: 800
780i/790i - Memory Clock Mode:
780i/790i - CPU FSB MHz:
780i/790i - Voltage FSB:
780i/790i - Voltage SPP:
780i/790i - Voltage MCP:

Overclocked Memory Settings

Actual Memory Speed MHz: 1600
i7 - Memory Ratio MHz: 1333 - This is a ratio that is multiplied by the BCLK multiplier in order to produce a final memory speed of 1600

Voltage Memory (i7 - Dimm Voltage): 1.7
Timings (CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS): 9-9-9-24
i7 - Voltage DRAM Bus:
780i/790i - Memory Clock Mode:
780i/790i - CPU FSB MHz:

Motherboard BIOS: SZ27
Video Card Driver: 182.08
Chipset Driver: CD
Sound Card Driver:

i had my wife send me these readings and thought i would post them,i have a question i'm happy with the oc,but was wondering if the overnight load is the temp i have to watch if i decide to oc some more or should i get a program and play some games to see what kind of temps i would get and use those temps.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Apr 2009 at 8:54pm
actually 75c full load is a good temp to have, of course lower is better but at 3.8 and 75c is a very good place to be IMO
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  Quote army man Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Apr 2009 at 5:55pm
i've never delt with liquid cooling ,are those temps normal for liquid cooling 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Apr 2009 at 7:24pm
Its more the CPU, if you get a CPU that runs cool then the temps in the same system will be lower, liquid cooling or air, 75c is a good temp to have
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  Quote BillDempsey Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Apr 2009 at 11:21am
I agree with DST - 75c is a really good temp under overnight load. Congrats! Ouch

Hey DST, you know Intel unlocked the QPI on the 920 and 940 right before shipping them out, right? The media samples they sent out to all the mags and sites were locked down, but the shipping versions of both CPUs can run at 6.4. This was only discovered when somebody actually tried it. So, for some reason, Intel eliminated one of the differences between the 920/940 and the 965. The memory can actually run at the same speed on all three.

The 965 still obviously wins on flexibility of overclocking, though thanks to the unlocked CPU multiplier and frequency. It's far more tweakable. There are lots of in-between frequencies you can hit with a 965 that aren't even possible with a 920. Still - the 920 is just freakin amazing for the price you pay. What a deal!
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Apr 2009 at 3:58pm
Ya I know they unlocked it, which is why in the other thread about 975 I mentioned that I like to see an actual retail chip rather then the engineering versions they let people test, but unless somebody is doing very intensive tasks I don't' see how the 6.4 will really benefit anybody with a 920 or 940.

but the 920 has turned out to be amazing which is what I was saying before the i7 came out and a few people here and 2 techs were not agreeing with me but we all agree now
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