DSO Antec cases. DSO please read when you can..Post Date: 2009-05-22 |
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B@d//j0ke
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Topic: DSO Antec cases. DSO please read when you can..Posted: 22 May 2009 at 6:02pm |
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Okay heres the deal, I have had some questions and complaints regarding DSOs Antec 902 case. DSO I love you to death but now its time for me to rant a lil, so hang with me.
I love Antec cases, I have been a big fan for awhile now, many of my friends have or had Antec cases. They are great cases!
I myself intend to special order the Antec 1200 full tower case when the time comes for me to order my DSO rig, (Job problems are delaying the prosses) However when I learned it would cost me an extra $175 over the retail price to special order the Antec 1200 I became rather disapointed. Alyx informed me that the extra cash is to cover the added shiping/packiging Added man hours as well as to cover the special order case by there warinty.. He stated That it would take more man hours to put together a special order case do to the fact that the workers would not be familiar with said case, that they "Would have to work with the case, and figure out how it goes together"
NOW the extra shipping and packeging I understand, that is a givin. However to charge that much extra for added man hours do to unfamiliarity and to cover the Antec 1200 by there warrinty seems unfair for a case that is literaly a bigger version of a case they already carry..
IMHO I think DSO should drop the Antec902 and replace it with the Antec 1200.
And though I understand there is a market for Mid tower cases, in ALL other aspects DSO Only offers the BEST most extreme components to there customers. So why Insted settle for the little brother of a MUCH better case?
Carrying the Antec1200 would increase the coices for there costomers.
Lets face facts 99% of DSO costomers are hardcore gamers looking for the BEST components there budget can get them, so MOST will overlook the 902 from the start do to the fact it is a Mid tower, Us real gamers have decided from the beginging to go with a full tower case, and thus would not even consider the 902.
DSO Im not asking for you to reply (though you probly will cuz you'r awesome!)
Im just asking if you will consider it.
![]() Antec902 Mid tower 19.4" x 8.6" x 18.6"
External 5.25" Drive Bays-3
Internal 3.5" Drive Bays-6
Expansion Slots-8
120mm fans-3
200mm fan 1
![]() Antec1200Full tower 22.9" x 8.4" x 20.2"
External 5.25" Drive Bays-12
Internal 3.5" Drive Bays-3
Expansion Slots-7
120mm Fans-5
200mm fan-1
DSO it shouldint be hard for you to consider the Antec 1200, as you already place you'r trust in the 902. Thank you for you'r time and possable consideration.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 6:17pm |
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I think the point of 902 is to provide a mid tower choice, for full tower we already have HAF and 950si that are great in performance, if you ask me they should get ride of the 902 and replace it with the HAF 922.
the antec is OK for air but not great for LC, where as HAF is great for both air and LC. having said all of that, anybody that wants the 1200 all they have to do is ask for it, we are not limited to what is in the config page. BTW this is not the right section for this post.
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sdelu
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 6:26pm |
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Yes, but his point is that it's basically a larger version of the 902, so having to pay extra for them to "learn" the case is bogus. Which, yeah, I can kind of see his point on that one. However, I think that if you force a company to go out of their way to please you, you shouldn't complain when they charge you extra. That's just how it works. Also, b@d, I hope it's not too rude or improper to ask you to use the spell check before you post. Sometimes it's hard to understand what it is you've written. Edited by sdelu - 22 May 2009 at 6:28pm |
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B@d//j0ke
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 6:29pm |
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Yes I understand that. My point being that it is just about the same case, so theres really no reason not to, they wouldnt be investing in a unfamiliar case. There is no doubt the 1200 is better thern the 902, and is of the same build. so theres not a big reason not to include it.
Also I remember talking to you on another post regarding this. I am aware that the 1200 can be special orderd.. I think I made that clear, but the extra cost DSO chagres is a little unfair (In this spacific situation)
To be honest I figured more people would read it if I posted it here
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B@d//j0ke
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 6:34pm |
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Lol, not at all. I type fast. And normaly do not go back over what I typed.
I understand both of you'r points, however as I stated I am not demanding anything, I am simply asking if they would consider it. It is up to them weather it is a good idea or not.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 6:43pm |
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unfair? I don't agree, unfair is when everybody thinks their favorite case should be offered.
No matter the bottom line is that if I'm a business and you ask me for something, I'm not gonna go thru the trouble of ordering it, shipping costs, warranty, and installation and if something breaks during install cover the charges for that, etc. etc., for free. the bottom line is that if you want to pay cost then you build it yourself, if want somebody else to do it, then you must know that you are not going to pay the same amount if you were doing it. Here is a company offering us unlimited choices, great systems and great service and warranty, they go out of their way more then anybody else I have seen, and we gonna call them unfair? the price they give you is the price its going to cost for them to offer it to you so that its up to their standards. you think if they add it to the config you would payless? either the price of the case when you pick it is going to be higher or the base price of the whole system is going to go up a bit. I have no interest in paying higher base price just so we can carry the 1200, if I were to do that, it would at least be for a mountainmod or Lian-Li . BTW when I say "you" I don't mean you B@d//j0ke, I mean it more as we the customers/shoppers. its not conciderate to ignore forum rules and post where you like, they ask us to post things in proper place for a reason, thos I'm sure Alex will tell you he is more then fine with it. if my tone is coming across wrong I apologize for it now, its not meant to be nothing more then just friendly discussion. Edited by DST4ME - 22 May 2009 at 6:47pm |
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justin.kerr
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 7:02pm |
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The 1200 is a good case, $20-$40 more than the HAF. The 1200 does water cooling ok, 1 tripple and a double inside, but I don't really see it as a better case than the HAF?
Lian li is very overpriced for what you get, in my opinion, yes I love mine, lol, but will take a Tj07 over it in a heart beat.
The Tj07 is the case I wish DS would offer. Two tripple rads , or one quad rad, + tripple rad + a double all inside the case, and built like a tank, not flimsy like the lian li.
Mountain mods Ascension would be a nice option, but, that would add at least $1,000 to the base price over a HAF.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 7:11pm |
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lol which why you don't see me asking for them to be added
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B@d//j0ke
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 7:34pm |
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I am sorry if people are misunderstaning my post. I am NOT demanding anything, nor am I paticulerly complaining. I am simply stating in my short time on the DSO forums it is aparent that DSO strives to offer the best service and hardware they can to the gaming market. I have also noticed that the overwhelming majority of configuration posts I have read on here are with Full tower cases. And the few that are not configured with a Full tower are ultimatly steard twords one.
However, I am NOT DSO I do not have there numbers. If they feel that it is more benifitial for them to carry a Mid tower option then to carry another high quality Full Tower then I certenly can not argue with that.
NOW that having been said, I am NOT trying to replace the HAF932..I have NO idea why that case even came up.. I am just saying there is NO doubt the Antec1200 is a better case then the Antec902, and would offer US a good alternative choice, for those of US that do not want the HAF932 for whatever reason. DST I know you are aware not everyone loves the HAF as much as I know you do
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 7:52pm |
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I don't think you read my whole original post.
I stated that for full towers we already have 2 great ones, the antec is not better then the HAF, so for that kind of performance the HAF is there. for those that don't like the look of HAF, they can get the 950si. so the HAF and 950si are coming up because the fill the slot that antec wants to fill. second, I also stated in my previous post that the 902 is there to offer a mid tower option to those that want it, so to replace the 902, you have to replace it with another mid tower, otherwise we would alienate the mid tower customers, so the 1200 can't fill that slot either. last, if those do not fit somebody's taste, everybody has their own opinion and everybody should get the case they love and not the one I love, as they say different strokes for different folks, but you might have to pay for it, I'm getting lot of things customized and I'm paying for it, no doubt, $640 for a 295 when I can get it for $560 from newegg, I can go on and on but I understand that what I want, will cost me more money, so I either I want those parts and for me they are worth the extra bucks or I don't get them. having more choices right there in the config is great but like I said, it will raise the price some where, cause it cost money to order parts then have them sit around, if they are not selling, then your investment is not making you a cent. I understand you don't have the numbers, but to a certain degree all business work on the same level, for example, every business's product has to make a profit at the end of the day or that product will put you out of business, slowly but surely. I hope that clears it up a bit. |
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 8:03pm |
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I do understand what you are saying, If we really want something not offerd then we need to do what is required to get it. And if we are not willing to do what is asked then we need to stick with what they offer..That makes sense. Also my other point being that in MOST of the configuration posts that I have read they all end up with a full tower..so there does not SEEM to be any mid tower customers here. Though as I said, that is just from what I have seen, DSO clearly has a better idea of what there costomers are buying then I do. wich is why I said if they feel it is better for there buisines to keep offering a Mid tower choice the I can not argue with that.
This post is more of a recamendation from me, on what I would do. They don't have to do it, or I wont complain if they don't lol.
Ether way I am going to order my rig from DSO and I AM going to order the Antec1200 case. $175 extra or not, that is more of a general recamendation from me..NOTHING more.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 8:08pm |
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Also I too would like to stay I am sorry if my tone seems wrong, or rude. It is just for general conversation. I am not upset or anything.
DST you helped me out when I first joined, I am certenly not argueing with you. And am sorry if it seems that way.
As far as posting this in the wrong spot, I am sorry for that. I should not have done that, and will not happen again.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 8:17pm |
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well first let me say thanks for the recommendation, they are always looking for recommendations I'm sure.
what I'm saying is that we advise the HAF because of its performance, so if you want that kind of a performance, its available to us via HAF or 950si. now in your case for example, you are not gaining anything over the HAF by going with the antec, but the reason you get it is because of preference not performance. in other words, if you want a car that does 50 miles per gallon (mpg) and has great quality, and I show you a Toyota but you want the Honda from next door, which has the same gas millage, and same quality, then which car you go with is more a matter of preference and not performance. so you want a great case that is good for air cooling or liquid cooling then DS shows you the HAF and 950si, but you like the antec, that is a matter of preference and why the extra price comes in. if what we want is available in performance but we don't like its looks then thats preference aka luxury and luxury costs money. the antec 1200 will cost you more then the HAF even if you bought it from newegg, it just costs more but it offers no performance gain, if anything it does not have lot of useful features that the HAF has, one of my favorites being the HDD bays slide out, making working with HDDs a cinch. and yes we here on the forum do advise and direct everybody to a full tower because the extra room give better temps and sure does help with upgrades and specially LC system. IMO for the antec 1200 to be added to the config page, it has to fill a slot that is empty, and right now between the cases they offer, there is no slot empty, for mid tower customers, the antec 902 offers great performance, for full tower customers the HAF and 950si offer great performance, the HAF specially when take into account price vs performance. so there is no empty slot to fill right now. also keep in mind that this forum represents a small percentage of what DS does, most of their sales are over the phone and we never even know what they order or what they get. hope that clears up what I'm saying, and good for you for getting the antec 1200, life is short, if you got the money, then get what you want
I'm enjoying our conversation and your tone is perfectly fine and gentlemanly, I hope I'm coming across as respectable as you are Edited by DST4ME - 22 May 2009 at 8:19pm |
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 8:25pm |
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I see, that does clear it up.. I guess the reason I wunderd why they didnt carry the 1200, and insted carried the 902 was because they offer the best proformence. So why not offer the 1200? but as you pointed out they already do offer better choices, the HAF and for those who do not like it the 950si. My situation is I don't like eather, and so I did not really see that DSO already has all its basis coverd. Thnx for clearing it up DST.
I still keep this as a recommendation to DSO, and they can do what they want with it.
Thnx for the conversation DST.
Logging out for now.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 8:27pm |
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Thank you boss, been a pleasure talking to you
hope to talk to you again soon
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 9:03pm |
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So many issues so little time.... DSO says they'll order any case you want, but the cost seems so prohibitive that it's not a really option unless you're ordering a fairly expensive system in the first place. An extra $175 or what ever hardly puts a dent in $5000 system budget.
Cases are not interchangeable like video cards or CPUs (duh). I can't object to DSO charging a premium if you request one, but I wouldn't choose to do so.
Notice you can't calculate how much of a markup DSO is charging for their standard cases, say, the TJ09. It's $300 part on NewEgg. It appears DSO is charging between $315 and $335. That's not bad If that's true, the markup for a custom ordered case does seem a bit steep.
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