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    Posted: 04 May 2008 at 9:18am
Hey everyone, I bought a comp from DS about 3 months ago. Current specs are -

Intel e6550 @ 2.33
4 GB Kingston Hyperx 4-4-4-12 2t @ 800
evga 8800 gt
evga 650i Ultra MB
Win XP Pro SP2

For some reason when I try to overclock the cpu in the slightest it will freeze up about 3 minutes after boot. Even a small raise of 10Mhz. I've tried putting a lot of options on auto, raising voltages, etc. Nothing seems to be working. Was wondering if anyone here could give me some friendly advice (first time OC'ing cpu.) Thanks :)
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overclocking can be a bit of a luck game, as far as the mfg is concerned, it only has to work at the spec it says it will, just like 1066 ram is just successfully overclocked 800 ram and so on.
if you have tried upping the Vcore to near max and you crash with a 5-10 FSB raise, chances are pretty good that your processor is running at its maximum already
 
2 last ditch ideas:
 
one glimmer of hope that i can think of is that your ram may be maxed  is, and raising the fsb even a bit pushes it further than it can go, so possibly try underclocking your ram speed to the next step down, with the same timings (also make sure you are increasing your ram volts as you attempt to increase the FSB)
 
temps, grab coretemp and see where you are at idle/load. theres a small chance you are running hot and the OC just pushes it too far
 
borrowd from ocforums.com
Scale 3: Quad
QX6x50: Tcase Max 65c, Stepping G0, TDP 130w
QX6800: Tcase Max 65c, Stepping G0, TDP 130w
QX6700: Tcase Max 65c, Stepping B3, TDP 130w
QX9650: Tcase Max 64c, Stepping C0, TDP 130w
QX9775: Tcase Max 63c, Stepping C0, TDP 150w


-Tcase/Tjunction-
--65--/--70--70--70--70-- Hot
--60--/--65--65--65--65-- Warm
--55--/--60--60--60--60-- Safe
--25--/--30--30--30--30-- Cool
 


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Over clocking is something I do not even know anything about, nor do I want to!

Mine was OC'ed (3.67) before it had to go back to DSO for a new motherboard.  Now its running at stock speed.  I am torn if I even want to OC it again as it is running soooo good and so very cool.  My idle temps are in the high 20's to low 30's.  I am debating if I should just leave it. I will keep thinking on it, but if I do decide to, I will call DSO to walk me through it. 
 
I mean, with the CPU and other equipment I have in my rig, is a nother half a Ghz gonna really make that much difference that its worth the heat?
 
Just my thoughts.
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when you really get down to it, overclocking is about speed and about preference. some people prefer not to have a 60mph restriction on a 100 mph vehicle. i feel that overclocking is the exact same thing.
you will go noticibly faster, however your vehicle will not last as long, nor is it as safe.
personally, i feel that i got a very strong OC out of my processor, and I'm quite thankful for it. i can see a VERY noticeble difference in my computers speed and agility, but i know that im running hotter than i could and am not going to get the full mfg life expectancy from my gear, but i justify it with this:
 
Stock settings:
PCMark:              8,495
Memory Read      6451 MB/s 
Memory Write     4824 MB/s 
Memory Copy      5221 MB/s
Memory Latency   75.5 ns
CPU Queen       17282
CPU Photoworks  15154
CPU ZLib        63137 KB/s
CPU AES         17920
FPU J            8919
FPU M            4398
FPU SJ           2247
 
Settings in my sig(see below)
PCMark               11,200
Memory Read      9110 MB/s 
Memory Write     6897 MB/s 
Memory Copy      7445 MB/s
Memory Latency   53.3 ns
CPU Queen       24489
CPU Photoworks  21838
CPU ZLib        89364 KB/s
CPU AES         25414
FPU J           12621
FPU M            6226
FPU SJ           3184
 
 
the way i look at it and to steal the words of some wise others: overclocking will decrease the life of your equipment, there is no question. however, how much of this hardware do you plan on having more than 3 years from now?
if you are an avid gamer with a semi-decent income, the answer is little to none, and even a pretty harsh OC will get you that far
 
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Ya, my pc mark is just over 13,000 now.  It was at (I think, I am not home) 17,000 with the OC DSO had done for me prior to the RMA.  Still, 13000 is pretty damn fast!
 
Maybe I will just leave it for a couple years and then work on OC'ing it then.  Your right on the offset.  More performance or a more stable, cool and longer lasting system.
 
Thats why I am wondering what way to go.  Mine runs so stable now its not funny.  The RMA was hard to wait on, but I can tell you it is the best running and fasted rig I have ever experienced!
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make sure you are remembering the difference between
 
seeing as how an 18kish PCmark would need you to be at around 4680MHzWink
 
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Your probably more correct than I ever will be.   I am still not home but I am talkng about the 3dmark scores when I mention this.  Honest mistake, thought thats what you were talking about.  Listen, I am a much better gamer and hunt and peck for an answer guy then a tech wizard.  Hence, why I ordered my rig from DSO and did not build one for myself!
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Originally posted by Dog Lover

Ya, my pc mark is just over 13,000 now.  It was at (I think, I am not home) 17,000 with the OC DSO had done for me prior to the RMA.  Still, 13000 is pretty damn fast!
 
Maybe I will just leave it for a couple years and then work on OC'ing it then.  Your right on the offset.  More performance or a more stable, cool and longer lasting system.
 
Thats why I am wondering what way to go.  Mine runs so stable now its not funny.  The RMA was hard to wait on, but I can tell you it is the best running and fasted rig I have ever experienced!


My advice?

Leave it the Censored alone. LOL

It's fast, it's stable, it's making you happy.

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says tyler, who is also running at stock settings Wink
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You people are crazy. Isnt the whole point of buying an extreme chip is for even better overclocking as you get to play with an unlocked multiplier?

 
OVERCLOCK THAT THING YA FOOL!
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Heh.

IMHO, part of offering good advice, is keeping your target audience in mind.

I stand by my original statement.
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Good thing i never admit to offering good advice! haha.
 
 
 
 
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realistically im with tyler. if its good as is, why mess with it

 
i, however, cant get enough tweaking!
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but...but...its an extreme chip...its made for tweeking! Thats like buying a corvette and never taking it above 70mph  =(
 
 
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Overclocking is pretty simple once you go hands on. The most important thing though is PATIENCE, you don't want to just go into the BIOS and crank everything up... I taught myself how to overclock a while back on an old computer that I didn't care about. Amazingly, I didn't hurt it at all, but managed to learn a lot more. Unfortunately, my chip isn't that great so I can't overclock it very much...
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Originally posted by spira

Current specs are -

Intel e6550 @ 2.33
4 GB Kingston Hyperx 4-4-4-12 2t @ 800
evga 8800 gt
evga 650i Ultra MB
Win XP Pro SP2

For some reason when I try to overclock the cpu in the slightest it will freeze up about 3 minutes after boot. Even a small raise of 10Mhz.
 
So, stock this thing runs a 1333 MHz FSB with a 7X CPU multiplier, right? What kind of multiplier options do you have? Can you up it to 8 or is 7 the max?
 
Is your memory timing locked to the FSB or is it clocked separately?
 
How high have you pushed Vcore in the BIOS?
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Ok.... I ran PC Mark and 3d Mark.  Here are my scores on stock:
 
PC Mark: 9819
 
3d Mark:  14458
 
There.  Now we all know the difference!  Still, rocks pretty nicely.  I am still thinking on the future OC thing.  Its just running so nice and fast and cool.  High 20's to low 30's at idle in each core. 
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Have you had any condensation problems with that thermo electric btw?
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hope this dont double post, first one did not go through.....
 
Anyway, I do not know where I would have condensation as its a closed loop system with tubes, colored liquid, a radiator and at least 3 huge fans cooling it that I can see.  Where would the condensation show up?  I mean its still puke'n out heat from the rig so I do not know where any thing can form.  Am I missing something?  Should I be looking for condensation somewhere?
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This is one of the worst cases of thread hyjacking I've seen in a while.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat

This is one of the worst cases of thread hyjacking I've seen in a while.
 
Bill, that is the oddest thing I have ever seen.  I was responding to another post and it didn't go through.  So, I resonded again and now it posted here.  WOW.... Que up the Twilight Zone music.  mmmmm
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ok, even more weird.  Now its posted correctly so my above post makes me look even more retarded than I really am. Ouch
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DL, I didn't mean to point fingers at you, or anyone else in particular. Wink   It's just that the original question that started this thread seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle. 

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Bill.
 
I agree, its beautiful have these posts go off track, uh?  One more reason I love this forum.
 
Oh, and I do love your hateful wit, as well!!!! Approve
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Yeah, you're right Bill, and I'm as guilty as anyone else here.

Originally posted by Spira

Hey everyone, I bought a comp from DS about 3 months ago. Current specs are -

Intel e6550 @ 2.33
4 GB Kingston Hyperx 4-4-4-12 2t @ 800
evga 8800 gt
evga 650i Ultra MB
Win XP Pro SP2

For some reason when I try to overclock the cpu in the slightest it will freeze up about 3 minutes after boot. Even a small raise of 10Mhz. I've tried putting a lot of options on auto, raising voltages, etc. Nothing seems to be working. Was wondering if anyone here could give me some friendly advice (first time OC'ing cpu.) Thanks :)


Three possibilities occur to me.

1. Maybe your RAM isn't stable.
Relax the timings while you work on overclocking the CPU.
Raise your SPP voltage to 1.35V if you haven't already especially if you have 4 DIMMs populated, you may even have to run at 1.4V on the SPP. The NForce6 northbridge does not like running 4 memory modules. You may even have to back off to DDR2 667 speeds.


2. Maybe you're in a front side bus hole, and need to make a jump of 100 to 200Mhz to get past it. My board, for example, *will not* run at 1500MHz, no matter how much juice I throw at it. I can get it to boot at 1600QDR, but not 1500. Every board has it's own quirks.

3. Maybe !ender had it correct to begin with and you are simply the unlucky loser of the chip lottery and your CPU just will not clock higher.
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have you already tried to mess with the ram, or are those the stock settings? the first thing i would do is boost up to 5-5-5-15 or drop the speed as tyler said, a very common mistake is overlooking the rams instability when attempting to OC a procesor
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