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Faster Corei7 iterations possible in Q2 2009

Still not conclusive



Intel is quite confident that Core i7 Extreme 965 with 3.2GHz will be enough for the performance dominance at least in Q4 and Q1 2009. After that it might consider to launch a new, faster version of Nehalem but this is something that will depend on the AMD's ability to come close to 3.2GHz unlocked Nehalem.


The plans and positioning for Q4 and Q1 2009 are solid but Intel plans to launch quad core Lynnfield in the performance market in Q3 2009 while i7-965 and i7 940 CPUs might actually get faster iterations.

Intel is well know for changing its plans quite often so all cards are at the table. We will be lucky to see 3GHz Deneb 45nm quad core by January and we simply don’t see any window of opportunity for AMD to outperform Core i7 965 with its eight thread and superb overclocking.

The point is, if AMD gets close, Intel will launch faster Core i7 CPUs.



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I think the point is we still loose money. Big%20smile
 
Expected of intel to release crap with a *new* tag attached it and save the goodies for later. Oh, well i shouldnt hate them for making trying to make the most profit.
 
BUT
 
Originally posted by DST4ME

We will be lucky to see 3GHz Deneb 45nm quad core by January and we simply don’t see any window of opportunity for AMD to outperform Core i7 965 with its eight thread and superb overclocking.
 
What? All i see are people saying it *will* OC like a monster. Do you have inside sources that can confirm its OCing capabilities outside of Intel claiming it will be OC - friendly? Obviously, you didnt write this article, but never hurts to ask.


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I think you missed the point

the point is that Nehalem with its superb overclocking and hyperthreding will be untouchable by AMD.

thus AMD will not be able to putout a chip to compete, which then will give Intel no reason to put out a faster chip.

its simple business sense and makes complete sense.

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No i didnt miss the point, im just questioning their "superb overclocking" abilities.

AMDs quads were supposed to be OC beasts as well.
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Originally posted by Nomak

I think the point is we still loose money. Big%20smile
 

Expected of intel to release crap with a *new* tag attached it and save the goodies for later. Oh, well i shouldnt hate them for making trying to make the most profit.

 

BUT

 

Originally posted by DST4ME

We will be lucky to see 3GHz Deneb 45nm quad core by January and we simply don’t see any window of opportunity for AMD to outperform Core i7 965 with its eight thread and superb overclocking.

 

What? All i see are people saying it *will* OC like a monster. Do you have inside sources that can confirm its OCing capabilities outside of Intel claiming it will be OC - friendly? Obviously, you didnt write this article, but never hurts to ask.


its not intel saying it, its everybody else:

2.66GHz Nehalem clocks to 4GHz

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Our sources have confirmed that you will be able to clock the cheapest, $284 priced Nehalem from 2.66GHz all the way to 4GHz.

This is definitely good news for many overclockers and enthusiasts; but, of course, you will need a good board to achieve such an overclock.

When it comes to overclocking, whatever rating you’ve seen on Yorkfield 45nm quad-core overclocking should be seen with Nehalem, and we all know that Core 2 generation was one of the best things for overclocking since the beginning of time.

Naturally, the unlocked Core i7 Extreme edition at 3.2GHz default clock might be able to clock even more, but 4GHz from 2.66GHz is definitely an impressive number.


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Geek 
 
Aight, point proven.
 
Ouch


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Nomak, you have not seen nothing yet, wait till it comes out, its gonna make the E8xxx look stupid OC wise.

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Yeah im still waiting. Broken%20Heart
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just a little bit more to go, I can't take it

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Well, actually im waiting for two things, new CPU + price cuts on current ones.
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well when i7 comes out, the price cut should happen.

which i7 model are you waiting for?

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X 965

It would probably be about the same $$$ current qx9770 it sitting at, in turn im having a fun time trying to guess how much qx9770 will fall in price.
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same one I'm waiting for, I think its gonna be cheaper then qx9770. but we will see, you maybe right.

that thing is gonna rock

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It would have to be cheaper by a margin, since youll have to buy a premium mobo with it, so prices would be competitive vs old but still hot qx9770, not to mention they still cant jack it up due to games not taking advantage of quads, let alone 8 or w/e number of threads core i7 cpus will be bringing to table.
 
In other words, this CPU would cater to a very small % of market, my guess 1000$ tops.
 
PS: Ill come back to this thread on release day to confirm it Embarrassed


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the mombo is suppose to be cheaper then the x48.

the same way E8xxx is great for gaming due to hi OC, i7 can do the same but much better.

don't believe this whole 10% stuff, if I had a dime for every time I heard that when a new chip was coming out, right now I would be a millionaire.

wait till after it comes out and then we will see for real what its all about

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Still a month to go, hows your savings account doing?
 
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Its been itching to lose a few thousand and gain a pc

but ya a month to go

not to mention that first they have to hit the shelves, then we have to see what people that have it say and what DS thinks of it.

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Well, lets hope Intel donates a chip or three to DSO so they can fry at least one in process of testing it. Smile
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man if there is donations, why to DS, why not me and you, we can fry chips just as good as teh next person

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this is exactly the reason why i didnt want for this lol
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Well, it makes sense to WAIT for it now that were closer than ever to its release... Unless, you strongly believe US dollar would fall in its value and become worthless piece of paper - then you could buy w/es available ATM.

And im not trying to spread doom n gloom! Smile
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Originally posted by Nomak

Well, it makes sense to WAIT for it now that were closer than ever to its release... Unless, you strongly believe US dollar would fall in its value and become worthless piece of paper - then you could buy w/es available ATM.

And im not trying to spread doom n gloom! Smile
yea i hear you but then i could wait like 3-4 months for the faster "better" ones its just a never ending cycle of if i wait just a few more weeks/months i could get this instead of this lol


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What? All i see are people saying it *will* OC like a monster. Do you have inside sources that can confirm its OCing capabilities outside of Intel claiming it will be OC - friendly? Obviously, you didnt write this article, but never hurts to ask.

its not intel saying it, its everybody else:

2.66GHz Nehalem clocks to 4GHz

On Air

Our sources have confirmed that you will be able to clock the cheapest, $284 priced Nehalem from 2.66GHz all the way to 4GHz.

This is definitely good news for many overclockers and enthusiasts; but, of course, you will need a good board to achieve such an overclock.

When it comes to overclocking, whatever rating you’ve seen on Yorkfield 45nm quad-core overclocking should be seen with Nehalem, and we all know that Core 2 generation was one of the best things for overclocking since the beginning of time.

Naturally, the unlocked Core i7 Extreme edition at 3.2GHz default clock might be able to clock even more, but 4GHz from 2.66GHz is definitely an impressive number. 
 


 
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How come you forgot to inlude how many volts were needed to get that 4.0? I think that it was 1.7  -- thats too hot.
 
And was it a stable 4.0? I bet it wasnt...
 
oh well... only time will tell...
 
 
 


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If it was not stable then they would have not reported it, and 1.7 would have fried the chip so thats not it, if you read my other posts here, you will see they set a voltage for the CPU and then another for the ram.

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well according to the reports i7 whould not be pushed over 1.6v.

this chip is a test sample and they guy didn't care about it.

and my post is not from techpowerup, maybe techpowerup did that, but that has nothing to do with my thread here and teh posted speeds.

also this is what is said:

It's high time to break the dogma. Core i7 965 Extreme, Intel's next generation flagship desktop processor based on the Nehalem architecture, does indeed overclock satisfactorily. IT OC Taiwan overclocked the chip, which sports an unlocked FSB multiplier, to a respectable 4.20 GHz, at a FSB speed of 200 MHz, and multiplier value of 21.0xFSB. A vCore setting of 1.72 V was used, which is above the danger-mark, taking Intel's own warnings into account. The CPU was aided by dual-channel DDR3-1600 memory operating at timings of 8-7-7-24. It provided a tested bandwidth of close to 16,000 MB/s. The CPU took 3DMark Vantage for a spin, with 3596.76 plans/s in CPU Test 1, and 32.87 steps/s in Test 2. The chip used in the attempt was an engineering sample.



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When will we see DS Nehalem computers???Star
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well i7 itself is suppose to be out Nov 17th or something, so hopefully soon after that.

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Anyone think i7 will improve gamming?
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BY TEN PERCENT.

Smile

Well, take a look at this:
a. Current games are not yet optimized for quad core CPUs
b. Gaming industry wont drop support for duo CPUs and will not optimize their games for quads because if they do said games will run like crap on duo CPUs
c. Quads are expensive - USA is in recession heading for depression and then into the ****.
d. So as far as gaming is concerned, you should be looking for a 3.0mhz+ CPU to power up your gaming rig

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so would  waiting to buy a pc for gaming make any sense or should I go with whats out now
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Well, i am expecting sharp price cuts for most Intels CPUs currently out when Nehalem hits the shelves.

If you can manage to wait close to a month do it, you will most likely be able to save a good amount of green.


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good call im on a 2000 dollar budget and price cuts would be great
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If all you do is game on your CPU, and i mean strictly game - no video editing and anything else, you will be set for a good 2-3 years from now as long as you invested good money in video cards (preferably SLi/Xfire). By that time gaming industry would start moving forward onto utilizing quads, it simply doesnt make good business sense to make your games for high end rigs. 

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think there will be any pre-nehalem price cuts
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