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    Posted: 14 May 2021 at 4:10am
Good morning. I am looking for feedback on a build. I will use the machine for many different tasks. These tasks include (at different times, not all at once) running AAA games at high fps, processing and encoding 4K videos, and running multiple virtual machines with VMware Workstation.

I included some specific questions in red.

The price for this build is $5,740. My budget limit is around $6K.

https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=3902854

Specifications:

Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lumos - Is this a good choice? I found it a little hard to compare cases.
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish

Processor: Intel Core i9-11900K (5.3 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.5 GHz (Rocket Lake) - Any experience yet with 11th Gen Intel?

Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus XIII Hero (Intel Z590 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)

System Memory: 64GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series

Power Supply: 850W Digital Storm Performance Series (Modular) (80 Plus Gold)

Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks

Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (500GB Samsung 980 PRO) (NVM Express) Operating system
Storage Set 2: 1x SSD M.2 (2TB Samsung 970 EVO) (NVM Express) Games and scratch/temp workspace
Storage Set 3: 1x SSD (4TB Samsung 860 PRO) Everything else
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks

Internet Access: Wired PCI-E Intel X540-T1 (10 GbE) (1x RJ45 Connector) Is this the best choice for 10GbE?

Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 3080 10GB (Performance Edition) (VR Ready)

Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks

Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)

Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks

Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.7GHz on All CPU Cores
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks; please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system

Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: - No Thanks
Mouse Pad: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks

Your feedback is most welcome.
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2021 at 2:57am
Hi.

The gurus should come by and give us a detailed explanation of the pros and cons of the Lumos case. All I have seen are very positive reviews. The real option would be the Velox which has the window on the right side.You can't go wrong with the Lumos IMO.

As to cpu and corresponding mobo, if you read some of the reviews, Intel did improve on some tech and went backwards in others with their latest. Seems AMD is the best option right now and I am an Intel fan. If you change to AMD the 10G card board might be unnecessary

Hope others will come by and give more reasoned opinions.
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  Quote fnord0 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2021 at 4:31am
Originally posted by hoserator

As to cpu and corresponding mobo, if you read some of the reviews, Intel did improve on some tech and went backwards in others with their latest. Seems AMD is the best option right now and I am an Intel fan. If you change to AMD the 10G card board might be unnecessary

Thank you very much for this valuable input. I haven't even considered AMD until now because I'm old and set in my ways , but it is certainly a path worth exploring.

I started looking at Threadripper setups, but the price point for a decent system quickly exceeded my $6K budget, so I went with a Ryzen build.

https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=1756191

This build is 100% identical to the one in my original post, except for the following items:

Processor: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16-Core) 4.9 GHz Turbo

Motherboard: ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero (Wi-Fi) (AMD X570 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)

Internet Access: Wired PCI-E ASUS XG-C100C (10 GbE) (1x RJ45 Connector). 10GbE card still needed with this board; not sure how to choose between this one vs. the Intel X540 card

Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking. Why is this the only option?

The price is comparable too: $6,063 for this one vs. $5,740 for the Intel build.

Thanks again for your feedback.
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2021 at 5:19am
From what I was able to read, the Intel (the T-2) has to be kept at working temps or it shuts down and the Asus slows down when sending and receiving at the same time. But that's just on a simple read.

As to AMD, I don't think you can do to much overclocking.
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2021 at 6:12am
Your link doesn't show your revised build.

With productivity tasks the 5950X will beat the living crap out of the Intel chip. they are strictly to reclaim the fastest gaming crown. If I understand it correctly, the 5950X can beat out the much older 3950x Threadripper, even. So it's an excellent choice.

The Lumos case is very good and attractive IMO. Very good airflow. As my friend mentions the Velox is very good also, but the window on the opposite side means the motherboard is mounted upside down. Some are put off by the GPU logo being upside down.

I don't know diddly about 10Gbe, but the Asus Pro X570-ACE motherboard features this:

ASUS Control Center Express: A software utility equipped with a GbE LAN controller for out-of-band management to enhance hardware-level control for improved IT efficiency


Might be something for you. The difference between the two cards: a little research showed me the Intel 540 T1 and the T2 date from 2012 and are currently discontinued. They are PCIe GEN 2 vs the ASUS PCIe Gen 4. Personally, I wouldn't touch the Intels. You might do some research and pick a card elsewhere?

For whatever reason, DS has not offered to overclock any AMD chips. They ARE overclockable, and I believe AMD's website offers software for that. However, the state of CPUs these days is such that overclocking is pretty much totally unnecessary. The turbo boost feature built into both brands allows a strong speed burst when needed without stressing the chip all the time. Much safer IMHO.

Just FYI, Your first two storage picks are excellent, IMO, but Storage 3 is very pricy here. An SSD is very easy to install yourself.

Hope it helps.
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  Quote fnord0 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2021 at 7:08am
Thank you both for your replies. Very helpful indeed!

I've done a bit of reading on 10GbE cards. It seems like all of them have some caveats, so in the interest of simplicity and stability, I am abandoning this idea and instead will invest in a fancier motherboard with 5GbE onboard LAN.

Here is the revised (maybe final?) build.

URL: https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=3905069

Price: $6,251

Specifications:

Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lumos
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish

Processor: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16-Core) 4.9 GHz Turbo

Motherboard: ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Formula (Wi-Fi) (AMD X570 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)

System Memory: 64GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series

Power Supply: 850W Digital Storm Performance Series (Modular) (80 Plus Gold)

Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks

Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (500GB Samsung 980 PRO) (NVM Express)
Storage Set 2: 1x SSD M.2 (2TB Samsung 970 EVO) (NVM Express)
Storage Set 3: 1x SSD (4TB Samsung 860 PRO) (I may end up buying it elsewhere - jury's still out on this one)
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks

Internet Access: High-Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)

Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 3080 10GB (Performance Edition) (VR Ready)

Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio

HPC Processor: - No Thanks

Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)

Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: Option Not Available

Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system

Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)

That's it. A little over the budget but I can sell some $DOGE and make it work.

Thanks again for your feedback. More comments welcome.
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 May 2021 at 3:09am
It is very easy to add SATA SSDs. Make sure DS prewires the SATA ports for you just in case.
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 May 2021 at 3:46am
One thing that might help the decision about Storage 3. Isn't it possible you would not have need of it for quite awhile? If that's the case, you would likely end up with a better performing newer version drive, and probably more economical, too. The Scotchman in me hates the idea of $1000 just sitting there waiting for the day you need it.

You can request the prewiring in comments at the end of your configuration. I've heard DS does it anyway.
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  Quote fnord0 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 May 2021 at 4:04am
That makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 May 2021 at 3:34pm
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 May 2021 at 3:04am
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  Quote fnord0 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 May 2021 at 2:35pm
Order placed, and now the unbearably long wait begins. Thanks again for the help!
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