First Time Buyer Needing Plenty of HelpPost Date: 2011-05-06 |
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Ilove2lips
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Topic: First Time Buyer Needing Plenty of Help Posted: 06 May 2011 at 2:36am |
Ok, so I'll cut straight too it, I know zilch about making a gaming pc (shocking I know) and I need a lot of help. I'm looking for a rig that will power through the upcoming Skyrim on max settings (or anything else besides crysis).
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Budget: $3000 max (hopefully a lot less lol)
Rig Type: Gaming, Web Surfing, and School Work (no photoshop, autocad, or 3d stuff)
Memory Needs: This pc will hold all my music, school work, and games... so 1TB is pushing it size wise
Video Needs: I don't need blueray as I have a home entertainment system already and I'm wanting a smaller moniter around 18 to 21.5 inches that does at least 1080p
Other than those needs, I have no idea lol. I looked into the cooling systems, all the different chassis, different colors, and I'll have to admit... I'm just stumped. So any and all help you wonderful gaming people can offer another avid gamer would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!!!
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dANGLICO
Newbie Joined: 10 Mar 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 29 |
Quote Reply Posted: 06 May 2011 at 4:57am |
I am no professional, but I have just spent months researching my own dream gaming computer and this is what I learned. The Sand Bridge processors do everything we need and everyone seems to like the 2600k. Many of the users here agree that 3.9-4.5 Ghz OC is more than enough for gaming.
GTX 570's, one or two SLI'd depending on your gaming needs, appear to be the leader for our budget and gaming preferences.
Intel Solid State drives are the leader right now in speed and stability.
8Gigs RAM also seems to be sufficient.
IMO other than that it is style preferences. You can do this from 2.5-3K easily
But, I am also a noob at this.
Ticket Number: 536456
Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,436.00 Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=536456
Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue) System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Dominator DHX (High-Performance) Power Supply: 750W Digital Storm Certified (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Recommended) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (160GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series SSDSA2CW160G3K5) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition WD1002FAEX) Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 Extreme Performance (Does NOT fit on the regular EVGA X58 3X SLI) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty Edited by dANGLICO - 06 May 2011 at 5:03am |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 06 May 2011 at 1:53pm |
you can do this two ways, get a system that can do sli but has one card and you add teh second card later if its needed.
it is very easy to install for someone who has never done it. or you can go with the sli now. So I will show you the first option: Here you go Ticket# 536638 --- $2470 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue) System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series SSDSA2CW120G3K5) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition WD1002FAEX) Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua NH-U12P SE Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red) Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro or Deluxe Series Motherboard) Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service) Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty Ask DS specifically for this fan to be added to the top, so you endup with 4 x 200mm fans: haf 200mm non led fan now as I mentioned this system can do sli but is not in sli, for your game I'm not sure if it even utilizes sli, but other games do, let me know if you don't need sli ability then the price will drop some more. your hdd setup should be like this: HDD1 = fast small drive: os/apps/games HDD2 = regular large drive: media/personal/work file storage Edited by DST4ME - 06 May 2011 at 1:53pm |
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Ilove2lips
Newbie Joined: 06 May 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10 |
Quote Reply Posted: 06 May 2011 at 8:46pm |
I've read on several sites that you only need a core i7 for intensive programs like moive making, autocad, photoshop, etc... would a core i5 (2500K) work well for gaming? Also, thanks for the ideas so far :). What type of cooling would I need for a sli system that would be under my desk, near a wall?
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 May 2011 at 2:08am |
You don't even need a i7 any quad core will do, but a 2600k will do it much faster than a i7 950 for example.
Don't shortchange teh brain of the pc (the cpu) if budget is too high there are other things we can cut that you can add later easily yourself. yes a 2500k will work well for gaming but so will a q 9650, again they can both do it but performance will be different. cooling will always mainly depend on your room temp, if its warm and hard to have airflow down there, air cooling or LC will have trouble, both use air so if room them is warm forget about it, if my room temp hits 82f or higher, my psu will overheat and pc will shut down till it cools down, so even tho I have LC on cpu and gpus, room temp dictates, its the boss, so if you have room temp under 80f, you are good to go, just make sure the case has room to breath, you want the front and side fan blowing cool air in and the 2 top fans sucking warm air out. |
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Ilove2lips
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 2:19am |
Ok, well I live in Arkansas and during the summer our temperature can get to 110 in the shade to 120 with the heat index.... So should I go with liquid just to be sure? What brand and type should I get? |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 3:02am |
LC is the same, again you have fans that blow air thru the radiator to try and cool the temps down, but blowing hot air thru the radiator, isn't gonna cool anything down.
Look at my system, I got LC on everything, when the room temps hits 85f, my psu heats up after a few hours and then it shuts everything down to protect itself, and wont' turn back on again till its cooled down, so even0cif you could keep the parts temp under 80c, some other parts may not work under full load. |
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Ilove2lips
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 3:11am |
Hmmm, with my setup I plan to have a single screen, the computer will be in my room as well, so with a single gtx 580 or 590, how efficient of a cooling system would I need to play games for 4+ hours without my cpu and gpu overheating? |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 3:18am |
I'm not sure to be honest, if room temp is gonna be like 90f or higher, the pc will over heat pretty quick IMHO.
Don't waste your money on 580, you will never tell the difference between 580 sli and 570 sli, and a 590 is the worst of the 3. since all cooling methods here use fans/air to cool things down, you need to provide 80c or lower air for it to work correctly. Edited by DST4ME - 08 May 2011 at 3:19am |
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Ilove2lips
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 4:12am |
Why is sli 570 better than the newer cards? I'm also thinking of custom building my own rig so, outside of this site, do you know any cooling systems that would work for me; and which parts do they need to cover? (e.g. gpu, cpu, chipset, etc...) So far, these are what I'm looking at: Case - Cooler Master Haf 922M ... Lot's of confusion lmao Edited by Ilove2lips - 08 May 2011 at 4:22am |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 2:20pm |
You are not judging the gpus properly, its not which is more powerful, its about how much power you need, if you can't tell the difference between 570 sli and 580 sli why would one spend so much more money on 580 sli.
that config you want to build yourself is all wrong. don't like your mobo, your psu is inferior to 2600K, cooling here makes no difference to either chips. 40GB is not enough space, people with 80GB are running out of space, also the smaller the ssd the slower the ssd from its bigger brothers. at 1900 x 1200/1080 you are not gonna notice a difference between 570 and 580. ram can be mushkin, cost less still quality. As for cooling goes, I'm not sure you are understanding me, if your room temp is 85f or higher, under load your pc can heatup, even if we could cool down the cpu and gpus, other parts of the pc like psu will over heat, the only way to combat this is to cool the room temp down a bit. |
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Ilove2lips
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 3:43pm |
Thanks for the info :). K, so sli gtx 570's with core i7 2600K CPU. Is my motherboard fine? The 40 gb ssd is strictly for my os, I will keep all my data on my 1TB drive (I don't really mind having to wait a few seconds longer for data to load lol). Now, as for the psu, I now understand what you mean about my other parts overheating. What if I went with a water cooled psu such as the one listed here? http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=911So having the cpu, gpu, and psu covered, do I need to worry about my north and south bridges overheating as well?
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 3:50pm |
LOL we keep going round and round, the cpu and gpus are not covered, as I mentioned if your room temp is above 85f, your cpu/gpu underload can still overheat.
that psu I looked at for my build 2 years ago, then I ran the other way, not only is it not a good quality psu, but that lc system in it is worth more trouble then its worth. but lets say that cpu/gpu/psu were under LC system, again LC system uses fans on rads to cool temps, fans blowing hot air on rads, are not going to cool anything down. if your room temp is 90f or higher, short of sticking the pc in the fridge you can't keep it cool, and in the fridge the condensation would make it short-circuit. Edited by DST4ME - 08 May 2011 at 3:51pm |
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Ilove2lips
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 4:24pm |
grr, I will build a fridge around it if I must lmao. So using a large stand alone rad wouldn't help at all either eh? I must find a way lmao. What about a sub-zero system, or does that use a rad and fans as well? |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 4:32pm |
all liquid cooling systems, cool things down with a rad, and a rad works by exchanging heat from teh fluid to air with the fans blowing air on it, so if the room temp is hot, the fan is blowing hot air, so the heat exchange is not really happening at its best.
you may be able to cool the cpu some what with a thermal exchange solution, but it will be costly, it still uses a rad, and it won't cool down all the parts, psu/mobo/gpu/etc. Won't it be cheaper to just stick mobile AC unit in the room? Edited by DST4ME - 08 May 2011 at 4:33pm |
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Ilove2lips
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 4:41pm |
Ya, no doubt there lol, I honestly don't know how hot it will get here, our ac is broken at the moment but I do know that my room will exceed 80 on the worst days. So definatly looking for a mobile ac unit lol, so mobile ac and fans good enough for sli 570's? I was more or less just wondering how the sub zero thing work lmao. Do I need to upgrade my fans in the Haf 922M case? (which brands/type if so)
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 5:19pm |
well if the temps do go over 80f, then don't worry about it, you will be fine.
a mobile ac unit should keep your room temp well under 80f, so air cooling is more then great on the pc. subzero is is a LC system, LC will have better temps than air, how much better depends on room temp. the 922 comes with all fans, only the side fan is missing, go back and look at my post with the config, at the bottom I have the link for which fan you should as for, btw by "922m" you mean the 922 right? cause I don't know what "M" is for. |
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Ilove2lips
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 5:23pm |
On several webistes it lists the Haf 922 with an additional M. I don't really know why though. Here's an example:
Same case right?
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 5:30pm |
Oh ya thats right its product code is RC-922M so some places use that.
Edited by DST4ME - 08 May 2011 at 5:30pm |
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Ilove2lips
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 6:56pm |
What's with the Fatal1ty series? I have found 2 seperate computer parts (sound card and power supply) that are labeled with that name.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 May 2011 at 7:45pm |
thats a sound card.
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