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    Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 4:00am
Hey guys,

I was recommended to go here and buy a PC. I am looking to build the best gaming rig.

What do you think of these specs? Does DS offer these parts?


Power: Silverstone 1200 W Strider Modular

Mobo: Asus P6T Deluxe

CPU: Intel Core i7 Extreme 965 3.2GHz

CPU Cooling: ICON Watercooling kit

Memory: Crucial 12GB DDR3 1066MHz

Video: 2x Nvidia GeForce 295GTX 2GB PCIE

Sound: CL X-Fi Titanium Fatality Champion PCIE

HD1:Intel X25-M 80GB SSD

HD2:Intel X25-M 80GB SSD

HD3:Intel X25-M 80GB SSD

HD4:Samsung 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache

Drive: LG BlueRay/HD Reader and DVD/RW

Drive: Ultra Flash Media and Floppy Drive

OS:Vista Ultimate 64 Bit
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Change the Mobo to an EVGA X58, that would be the suggestion. Other than that post this in the config section and DST4ME will help you out with any build requirements.

And with DS you can order anything you want even if its not on the configurator,
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 4:32am
config a system then post its ticket number here and we will help you with it, we also need to know what resolution you are going to be gaming at.
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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 5:05am
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^^ I'm looking to build the best possible gaming PC. I have a budget of 8k-10k'ish.

When I've asked around, I'm suggested to swap out the 3 way 285 to 2x GTX 295. Is 3 285 a hassle?

In your opinion, how do you rate this system?

Also, what is the difference between an Asus P6T Deluxe and an EVGA X58?
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what resolution are you going to be gaming at?
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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 5:22am
I use a bigscreen HDTV as a monitor. Not sure what the max would be. I have to admit I am not very informed on this stuff><

Specs:

Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 965 3.2GHz (Quad Core) (Extreme Performance)

Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)

System Memory: 12GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Dominator DHX (High-Performance)

Power Supply: 1200W PC Power & Cooling (ESA Edition) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)

Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 160GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Extreme Performance) (Model: SDSA2MH160G1C5)

Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 160GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Extreme Performance) (Model: SDSA2MH160G1C5)

Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: 160GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Extreme Performance) (Model: SDSA2MH160G1C5)

Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)

Optical Drive 2: Blu-Ray Writer/Reader (Burn Blu-Ray discs and play them)

Internet Access: Linksys Wireless-N 300Mbps (Supports 802.11n/g/b)

Video Card: 3x SLI Triple (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 1GB) (Includes PhysX Technology)

Add-on Card: Pinnacle PCTV USB HD Pro Stick (HDTV, Video Recording, Video Capture)

Sound Card: Creative Labs X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion (Includes Front I/O) (PCI-Express Slot Based)

Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: Specialized FrostBite Separate Dual Loop System for CPU & Three Video Cards

Liquid Color:UV Green: High Glowing Non-conductive Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 & UV Lighting)

Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Blue)

Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect For H20: Stage 3 UV Fluid)

Enhancements: NVIDIA Enthusiast System Architecture (ESA) System (Install, Test, Optimize Computer)

Chassis Mods: 950Si Case Only: Processor & Video Card Area: Drill and Mount Two Side Window 120mm Fan Blow-Holes

Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability

Boost Video Card: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability

Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory frequency (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed)

Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)

Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)

Virus Protection: McAfee Internet Security (Includes: AntiVirus, FireWall and AntiSpyware)

Office: Microsoft Office 2007 Home and Student (Word Excel PowerPoint OneNote)

Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty


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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 5:30am
Also, I would be able to set up a RAID array right? What would be the advantage or disadvantage of this?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 5:30am
your hdtv is not going to make the greatest monitor,

why don't you by one of these beasts right here:

295 GTX System

here you go Ticket# 239450 --- Price: $6031 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: Paint All Trim Accents: Chassis Vents, Grills, Screws, and Hose Clamps (Red)
Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 965 3.2GHz (Quad Core) (Extreme Performance)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1866MHz OCZ Platinum Edition (Extreme-Performance)
Power Supply: 1200W PC Power & Cooling (ESA Edition) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Writer/Reader (Burn Blu-Ray discs and play them)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Quad (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 1.792GB) (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Asus Xonar D2X (PCI-Express Slot Based) (Recommended)
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: High-Performance Liquid Chilled FrostBite System For CPU
Liquid Color:UV Green: High Glowing Non-conductive Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 & UV Lighting)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect For H20: Stage 3 UV Fluid)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks
Warranty: 5 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty (Highly Recommended)

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285 GTX System

here you go Ticket# 239448 --- Price: $6226 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: Paint All Trim Accents: Chassis Vents, Grills, Screws, and Hose Clamps (Red)
Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 965 3.2GHz (Quad Core) (Extreme Performance)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1866MHz OCZ Platinum Edition (Extreme-Performance)
Power Supply: 1200W PC Power & Cooling (ESA Edition) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Writer/Reader (Burn Blu-Ray discs and play them)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 3x SLI Triple (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 1GB) (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Asus Xonar D2X (PCI-Express Slot Based) (Recommended)
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: High-Performance Liquid Chilled FrostBite System For CPU
Liquid Color:UV Green: High Glowing Non-conductive Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 & UV Lighting)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect For H20: Stage 3 UV Fluid)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks
Warranty: 5 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty (Highly Recommended)

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now take the rest and go get your self a real montior that kicks some butt Dell 3007wfp-hc


3 x 285 beats 2 x 295 but the tri 285 cost more also.

another thing to take into account is that the tri 285 bead the dual 295s only by 10 to 15fps, and this is in the 100s we are talking about about, and when you are over 70fps, you won't see much difference, so lets say the dual 295s pull 110fps, and tri 285s pull 125fps, that is not much of a difference and in that range not important, cause its way over 70fps.

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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 5:36am
Cool, thanks for the feedback!

What did you think of the specs I listed for the customized rig?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 5:51am
I took your ticket number and modified it so that all the over kill stuff is removed and left/added all the stuff that makes a difference in performance, in short those two builds are what I think of your build.

LCing the GPUs are not needed and more of a headache, cause anything goes wrong, you have to send the system to DS. if its not lced, then you can swap the cards yourself.

the SSDs that are out right now, are not fast, wait till the end of the year, and you should see some real fast ones, Intel has the fastest right now but for the price they are not worth it yet. the veloci is faster in every aspect except for seek time, but we are talking 7ms here.

go with veloci right now, next year get a read fast SSD and upgrade to that.

right use HDD1 for OS/apps/games and HDD2 for personal/media files.

your 12GB of ram is a total waste, we can come in the middle of the night and take out 6GB and you would never know the difference. I gave you more then you need (6GB) and instead gave you faster ram (1866MHz).

creative has been having driver issues, and our sound guru recommends the asus xonar so I changed you to that.

LAN is always better then wireless, so I changed you to LAN.

HAF stock has great cooling and comes with all the fans, so no fan upgrade is needed, it will do a great job of keeping your case cool.

eas will not work with most of the x58 platform so that was another waste of money.

vista ultimate has remote desktop and premium does not, so I changed you to premium cause ultimate is not worth the price.

I wold have changed your PSU to a 1000w but seeing your config, you seem like somebody who in their future GPU upgrades will need a 1200w, so I left that in there

in short what did I think of your build? Major OverKill

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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 6:01am
Heh yea, I figured more expensive = better lol. Thanks for the help. In your opinion, how would you rank the customized rig you suggested? Would it be able to play Crysis (and Crysis:Warhead) or anything else to the max settings possible?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 6:13am
my rigs are build to handle what ever you throw at them, at 2560 x 1600 and above.

however on crysis you will be pulling 23fps on high settings, but in other games you are going to be around 60 to 90fps or higher on high settings.

your config can't do any better, actually no desktop can do any better. The fastest cards our now are the 295 and 285, they decide what your fps is going to be.

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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 6:29am
Only 23 FPS with all that?D:

This person says he is getting crazy high FPS on max settings. Is there no PC that can play Crysis on max? :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2tVjME9b7s&feature=related

His setup:
2 X GeForce 295 GTX Quad SLI
Asus P6T6 WS Revolution Intel X58
Intel Core i7 965 Extreme Edition 3,20 @ 4,4
Kingston HyperX DDR3 4x 2GB 2000MHz Nvidia SLi Ready DDR3
4X Segate 250GB 32MB cash in RAID 0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGqEp9irDuE&feature=channel_page

That person got 70 FPS but not on max, close tho.
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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 6:41am
Here's another, different card, older right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcEW47OR0Pg&feature=PlayList&p=2437B7995F74F347&playnext=1&index=19
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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 6:46am
This benchmark test is interesting:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-295,2123-4.html

Makes me wonder how the first video I posted can be true.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 7:13am
well all the reviews say the dual 295 and tri 285 get around 20 to 40 fps on all high settings at 2560 x 1600.

bottom line is that if he can do it in that system, you can do it in yours, otherwise he is lying. there is no magic involved, you get a i7 965 oced at say 4.0 and 2 x 295 GTX, then you should be pulling what he is pulling or extremely close to it. Push your 965 to 4.4GHz and you should be geting exactly what he is getting.

your first 2 links are not at 2560 x 1600, they are at a lower resolution, at that resolutio (1600 x 1200) you would be pulling 60 to 80 fps on crysis warhead



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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 7:17am
Icic, I think you're right about the max reso. I don't think those vids were in that reso. They were in 19xxX1280 or something.

Also, wouldn't the best options for cooling be better?


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I don't understand your question
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I meant, isn't Liquid cooling a good thing? How would it be dangerous if taken care of properly?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 7:47am
I never said it was dangerous, its not dangerous at all, its just that if the GPUs go bad or you want to say upgrade your GPUs or something does not work right, you will have to send your PC in, and that whole process can take 2 to 3 weeks.

without LC tho many of those scenario can be just be done by you and you don't need to be without your PC for a couple of weeks.

if you want to LC the GPUs go ahead, but if I were you, I would be ready to send it a couple of times alteast, not saying its definite, but if it does come-up, I don't want you to think the PC is bad or DS is bad or anything like that, its just part of the game of LCing the GPUs.

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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 7:58am
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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 8:02am
btw, what is your opinion of

Asus P6T6 WS Revolution Intel X58

vs the EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 8:49am
I'm an EVGA man all the way, also the EVGA holds the OC record right now, and asus seems to be having some issues.

and you are very welcome

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would 4x 1TB RE3 WD1002FBYS in RAID-0 will own any other config in terms of performance, price and space?
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Raid does not increase performance. End of story. Do you really think you need 4TB of memory? I don't think anyone does.
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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 1:43pm
Good point.

Wouldn't this be a good setup:


HD1:Intel X25-M 80GB SSD

HD2:Intel X25-M 80GB SSD

HD3:Intel X25-M 80GB SSD

HD4:Samsung 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache

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  Quote Samael Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 2:39pm
Personally from the things I have read and seen(limited exposure though) I would have to say going with SSDs right now is a waste of money. Maybe in a couple of years of even in a year, they will be more viable. I say go with the 300GB WD Veloci.
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Originally posted by DST4ME

I took your ticket number and modified it so that all the over kill stuff is removed and left/added all the stuff that makes a difference in performance, in short those two builds are what I think of your build.

LCing the GPUs are not needed and more of a headache, cause anything goes wrong, you have to send the system to DS. if its not lced, then you can swap the cards yourself.

the SSDs that are out right now, are not fast, wait till the end of the year, and you should see some real fast ones, Intel has the fastest right now but for the price they are not worth it yet. the veloci is faster in every aspect except for seek time, but we are talking 7ms here.

go with veloci right now, next year get a read fast SSD and upgrade to that.


right use HDD1 for OS/apps/games and HDD2 for personal/media files.

your 12GB of ram is a total waste, we can come in the middle of the night and take out 6GB and you would never know the difference. I gave you more then you need (6GB) and instead gave you faster ram (1866MHz).

creative has been having driver issues, and our sound guru recommends the asus xonar so I changed you to that.

LAN is always better then wireless, so I changed you to LAN.

HAF stock has great cooling and comes with all the fans, so no fan upgrade is needed, it will do a great job of keeping your case cool.

eas will not work with most of the x58 platform so that was another waste of money.

vista ultimate has remote desktop and premium does not, so I changed you to premium cause ultimate is not worth the price.

I wold have changed your PSU to a 1000w but seeing your config, you seem like somebody who in their future GPU upgrades will need a 1200w, so I left that in there

in short what did I think of your build? Major OverKill


LD I already answered your currrent questions in my previous post.


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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 5:39pm
kool, ok^^ thanks again DST^^

one more question tho, if i wanted (just for argument sake) DS to put in the asus mobo instead of the evga could they?

and about the HDs, is there any reason to have a third HD? and in your opinion, should I get the 3 285 instead of the 2 295?
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  Quote Dsnewb210 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 5:46pm
3 285's will give you a slight edge over the 295s, although it will be abit more expensive.
 
If you went tri sli you would have to go with evga, because the asus board doesn't support it.
 
3rd hd would be used as a back up for your other 2 or just another hd to store pictures/music.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 5:55pm
if you look at my build you can drop HDD3, for backup I suggest external drive, you can mek you own:

choose your HDD

choose your external enclosure

If you are wondering I use this one for cloning

go evga you will have much less hassle, looks like asus has been dropping the ball a bit, we have seen lots of problems with asus. but yes if you ask, DS will use what ever you want.

I like 2 x 295 cause it leaves a pci slot free but thats just me, its upto you really, I think its more matter of preference cause the performance is very close tho as DSNB210 mentioned the tri 285s come on top but as I mentioned before it by like 10 to 14 fps.



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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 6:20pm
cool, ic.

silly question but tri sli means the 285 right? so evga is best for that?

and specifically between the asus model i mentioned in my first post versus the evga in the build both agreed upon is there much difference other than tri sli support?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 6:23pm
no evga has less bugs and its a better board IMO.

you can triple slit the 295 cause that is basically 6 gpus, you can go only upto quad sli, which is 2 x 295

the 285 is a single gpu so you can sli 3 of them.
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  Quote Dsnewb210 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 6:23pm

Ya... I wish the classified board would of been out when I purchased my pc.. 3 gpus and a sound card would be pretty sweet.

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  Quote LDLD Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2009 at 6:32pm
so if I get the 3 285s, what precautions should I take in other areas of the rig? Definitely a lot of cooling, lot of power, the evga, have DS overclock everything?
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