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    Posted: 12 Jul 2009 at 9:28pm
I tried to follow  DST directions for hard drive clone, internal drive in external enclosure, Acronis software, all went well..............
Made rescue disc, cloned the main drive to the external drive.
Can I now boot off of the clone.
Will it work to unplug the original, plug in the clone and everything would be the same?
I tried that and it was a no go to boot off of the clone.
I know I did something wrong, just not sure what that was.
 
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Yes it should work, after clone was done, did you disconnect the clone before windows booted?

did you make sure to copy mbr from source HDD to clone HDD?

did you put the clone in to the system or did you try to boot off of it in while it was in external enclosure?

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Originally posted by DST4ME

Yes it should work, after clone was done, did you disconnect the clone before windows booted?
Not sure, probably not.

did you make sure to copy mbr from source HDD to clone HDD?
mbr?????????????

did you put the clone in to the system or did you try to boot off of it in while it was in external enclosure?

Tried both ways, first from external, then into system, both times no go


But I am also having problems with backup drive,  in the beginning........
Have 3 1T drives, original that came with system, clone in external enclosure, backup installed into system.
Whenever backup is plugged in, computer will not boot, it goes to black screen with blinking curser, thats all.
Worked with Duke for half hour, tried lots of different things, comes down to this, backup plugged in, no boot, backup not plugger in boot fine.
Even after going into bios and disabling boot to that drive it still will not boot with backup plugged in.
My best guess is partition that Acronis reserved is somehow locking up the drive.
Even booted from win disc with only backup drive plugged in and formatted drive, on reboot still black screen, and acronis partition still there.
I am out of ideas.
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ok so you have cloned, then removed the original drive from teh system and in its place you put the clone (same data cable that was connected to original is now connected to clone) and it will not boot?

oh I just realized that you responed to my question within the quote when you quoted me.

ok listen in my guide I point out that as soon as the clone is complete, you do not let the windows boot backup with both source and clone connected to the system, cause the source os will remove the mbr(sector/files needed to boot) of the clone.

so, clone again, ones clone is done, do not let windows boot, as soon as you get the prompt "clone was successful" or something like that, turn the external drive power off.

after the external power is turned off:

1. turn pc off. (you can boot to window now that the external is shutdown, and then shutdown from there, if needed.)

2. take the original drive off, and replace with the clone drive,( now the source drive is not connected to the pc anymore, inplace of it the clone is)

3. bootup now, the clone should boot right up.

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Originally posted by DST4ME

ok so you have cloned, then removed the original drive from teh system and in its place you put the clone (same data cable that was connected to original is now connected to clone) and it will not boot?
Did not use same cable, used different cable, just plugged and unplugged, to try and boot from clone. Also one possible problem was that I used different sata ports each time, #6 for original, #4 for clone, shouldn't matter?

oh I just realized that you responed to my question within the quote when you quoted me.

ok listen in my guide I point out that as soon as the clone is complete, you do not let the windows boot backup with both source and clone connected to the system, cause the source os will remove the mbr(sector/files needed to boot) of the clone.

so, clone again, ones clone is done, do not let windows boot, as soon as you get the prompt "clone was successful" or something like that, turn the external drive power off.

after the external power is turned off:

1. turn pc off. (you can boot to window now that the external is shutdown, and then shutdown from there, if needed.)

2. take the original drive off, and replace with the clone drive,( now the source drive is not connected to the pc anymore, inplace of it the clone is)

3. bootup now, the clone should boot right up.



I am about 87.725% sure I followed your directions exactly, but I will try again!Wink
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OK now, that's more like it.Ouch
The clone went fine that time, I know what I did wrong , but I'm not saying....Big%20smile
Have not tried to boot from clone,  I'm sure it will work fine, I will try it, but will it boot from external via usb if "boot from other sources" is enabled in bios?
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I would just remove your source HDD and put the clone in its place, use the same cables, it needs to be the same cable/port.

don't boot from usb, cause you will have he windows on the source HDD and then will be trying to boot from another windows install (clone) on the external, as I mentioned before both installs (source and clone) should not be connected when windows boot, otherwise one of them will have its boot sectors destroyed.

it is very important that both installs are not connected when windows boots.

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Originally posted by DST4ME

I would just remove your source HDD and put the clone in its place, use the same cables, it needs to be the same cable/port.

don't boot from usb, cause you will have he windows on the source HDD and then will be trying to boot from another windows install (clone) on the external, as I mentioned before both installs (source and clone) should not be connected when windows boot, otherwise one of them will have its boot sectors destroyed.

it is very important that both installs are not connected when windows boots.


Thanks for the help, I do completely understand the importance of only having one drive connected. Either the clone or the original, never both!
My thought was to unplug  the original drive from the MB, then boot from usb, that just sounded a bit easier to me.
But I will test the clone the way you describe.
Thanks again for taking the time to help all of us knuckleheads.Ouch
 
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you are not a knucklehead, nor is anybody else, lol, we all have to start from somewhere, you are doing better then I did when I started out

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Did I hear someone call for a knucklehead?Big%20smile

...or a threadjacker?
 
I need to do this because I'm having intermittent problems with my RAID setup.  So lets say in theory, I'd clone my 2 RAID Raptors where the OS lives to an external 1T backup, keep it off until needed (or for weekly update) then when one of the RAID drives actually does die and I replace it, will Acronis clone the install back to the two RAID drives just as it was before the failure? 
 
Would I have to format the other Raptor drive that didn't fail before cloning back to the internal RAID setup?  Is there any way to try this first so that it's not such a huge leap of faith?
 
Will Acronis also clone my 500Gb data drive at the same time in case it poops the bed, or does that have to be done separately on another partition on the external backup drive?
 
Thanks for the benefit of your experience...
 
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you can clone a raid to one HDD and then clone it back to 2 HDDs, in this case tho you can't run the clone itself, it needs to be cloned back to a raid.

yes you will need to format both drives for raid or Acronis will do it for you.

your data drive will need to be cloned separately, I recommend for cloning to use a drive for each clone, but you can partition the 1TB and have 2 clones on it.

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EX-cellent.  All my questions answered in 3 minutes. 
 
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lol I know it looks like I'm in the house all the time, and I do work from home, however, some of the time I'm on my phone and not home

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