HD 5870's released

It is a good card, if you have the 8800, or 9800 Nvidia card, or 38XX ATI card it is a great upgrade. But I would hold out till Nvidia comes out with the 300 series. That is when the 5890 should be released, and the 5870 price will be a lot less. Plus we will know what the Nvidia 300 cards can do.

just hope that nvidia uses decent VRM's on the 300 series.. these cheap VRM's drive me crazy, + having to solder on a brand new $450. card to volt mod it is just a pain in the butt.    The new 5870's can be soft mod volted, like the 4890's! 

ATI always has the lower priced cards and nvidia always has the most powerful ones.

just like last year, ATI will have the crown till jan - feb were nvidia will dominate again.

at the end of the day its more of a preference unless you want to fold, then ati is useless.

Edited by DST4ME - 23 Sep 2009 at 3:02pm

when I said cheaper, I didn't mean useless cheap, I meant ati has a lower price, so if you want to sacrifice a bit of performance for price you can still endup ok.

however I wouldn't say that each company will have more performance then anyone could use, cause judging by the 5870 and your own link in another post, the 5870 is almost the same as a 295, and people who have 2560 x 1600 resolution will have use for dual sli, as one card won't do it, add to that the fact that each year the size monitors purchased gets higher, and you come up with the fact that in 2 years, these cards will like the 9800 series of now.

but for folding ati is crap, it does half the work of a nvidia card.

cheaper fast card would be useful? each situation is different, not in my case, and I know plenty other people that rather have the power then the few bucks they save. to each his own, but there are cases where the extra power is needed, even these cards will not run crysis at high settings with aa and af very high, unless you get at least 2 of them, and just imagine how much more power hungry the next crysis will be.

Edited by DST4ME - 23 Sep 2009 at 6:50pm

The 5870 is better than anything  Nvidia has out right now. All the reviews that I have seen would make we want to get the 5870, unless u want to wait about 3 months and then Nvidia will have the 300 series and ati will drop the price of the 5xxx cards.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/09/22/amds_ati_radeon_hd_5870_video_card_review

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-review-test/1

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/09/23/ait-radeon-hd-5870-1gb-review/1


Edited by MyThLoSt - 24 Sep 2009 at 1:02pm

Originally posted by justin.kerr Originally posted by <8) slunK parade Originally posted by DST4ME ATI always has the lower priced cards and nvidia always has the most powerful ones. just like last year, ATI will have the crown till jan - feb were nvidia will dominate again. at the end of the day its more of a preference unless you want to fold, then ati is useless. , both of the new series from each company will have more performance than anyone could even use. QUADFIRE with 5870's it the most power you can get ATM, at still not even close to enough power to max out a lot of cuurent games, let alone upcoming games. DST is right ATI does not fold, but Nvidia does not do HTPC, so it all depends on what you want.   another interesting fact is that the 5870's are maxing out Pcie 8x, some games are seeing %10 improvement going with 16x soo when buying a new motherboard, make sure that if you want SLI/Crossfire to get a board that will do 16x x 2 slots. the nvidia 300 series will be even more choked with an 8x slot..  the need for pcie 3.0 is coming soon

not sure about that
most casual gamers (which is a large percent of gamers) dont use gigantic monitors, therefore would not use these cards to the full potential, even a game that uses an insane amount of resources, will easily be maxed out on a regular monitor (1280x1024 and 1680x1080(?) )

this is from what ive seen, when you go to a gaming site and you see one of those "post your desktop" threads the majority have 1280x1024

Originally posted by justin.kerr Originally posted by <8) slunK parade Originally posted by DST4ME ATI always has the lower priced cards and nvidia always has the most powerful ones. just like last year, ATI will have the crown till jan - feb were nvidia will dominate again. at the end of the day its more of a preference unless you want to fold, then ati is useless. , both of the new series from each company will have more performance than anyone could even use. QUADFIRE with 5870's it the most power you can get ATM, at still not even close to enough power to max out a lot of cuurent games, let alone upcoming games. DST is right ATI does not fold, but Nvidia does not do HTPC, so it all depends on what you want.   another interesting fact is that the 5870's are maxing out Pcie 8x, some games are seeing %10 improvement going with 16x soo when buying a new motherboard, make sure that if you want SLI/Crossfire to get a board that will do 16x x 2 slots. the nvidia 300 series will be even more choked with an 8x slot..  the need for pcie 3.0 is coming soon

4-Way SLI Classified FTW :P

3/4 of the reviewers have no clue what they are doing, so take all reviews with a grain of salt.

This forum looks like a nvidia fan boy forum, but every review is diffrenet and anyone can find a review that makes what they want look good..... but price for performance the  5870 has the crown right now


Edited by MyThLoSt - 24 Sep 2009 at 1:00pm

DST come on, dude you are killing me here..there is no quadfire listed.... Ok so put 5870x2  a double card, and it will kill 2 295's...

Come on, really? single card to single card.. So can we compare nvidias 250 to the 5850 ?? come on, apples to apples here, dual cards vs dual cards, single vs single.

You know what, just to give you the benefit of the doubt, I just called blizzard (makers of wow) to double check, and the tech guy not only confirmed that wow does not support sli, but when I told him about the benchmark, he started to laugh his ass off

Well I will lay a bet down, I can make SLI work on WOW, if I prove it you give me your new PC from DS.  Put up or shut up.  I lose, well I can't because this is been proven for the last two years.

bet parameter, 2560,1600 res max details,  pick your GPU 260, 275, 285, and I can gain 50% or more with the same settings, just changing SLI, the classified board has a PCIe jumper to disable a GPU, so you can disable it yourself..

That is what I said in the beginning, the game is highly CPU dependent, the lower the res the more demand on the CPU, less on the GPU, that is why very high res is needed, along with a very fast CPU..

From what I know Blizzards official stance is it doesn't support SLI because of the problems that are inherent with WOW and SLI. But it does work, like in many games SLI can be more trouble than it is worth, most new games have a lot less issues, from my experience.

I love my 295!  It might not really be the absolute best but it does everything I need  it to do at 1920X1200 in games like World at War & Crysis.  I mean it is very virtual reality especially with my Soundblaster X-Fi Fatal1ty for 3D headphone sound.