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    Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 10:53am
I know I wrote in the forum before about getting a gaming system but that was over a month ago and I cant find that post so no harm in starting a new post with the same topic. Sorry if I'm a little repetitive. I was waiting to pick a monitor anyway so here it goes.

I decided to go with the LG DM2780D It is a 27" 3D monitor with resolution of 1920 x 1080. I really wanted to get the LG 27" 3D IPS monitor but I have a feeling that will be completely out of my price range. I will only be using 1 Monitor. Unless the LG is announced at around 800.00 I'm going with this one for sure.

I manly use the computer for video editing, "Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD". I have a Sony camcorder and it seems to flawless import and edit the video.

I do play games but not as often. I play Call of Duty and Starcraft 2 when I play but sometimes I do play DC online and Star Wars Old Republic. I also use Itunes and intend on watching some blu ray 3D movies on it.

I am looking for a system that will not break the bank but give me the most for my money for my needs. I would like to say future proof the computer but I know that that will never happen.

I do have a couple of questions. Do I really need SLI, does SLI only help with gaming or does it help with things like video editing? And do I need SLI for 3D gaming especially since I am only going to use 1 monitor.? Does Ram really matter? Do I need 16 or is 8 more than enough? Did I over do it in one area, and not enough in another? Do I need to add more power, change the cooling, etc...?

Thanks for your time.

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System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) <b></b>
Power Supply: 800W Corsair GS (Dual SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black) <b></b>
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  Quote jmaster299 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 11:25am
First things first, if you want 3D your best bet is the new ASUS 3D monitor that they teamed up directly with Nvidia to make. ASUS VG278H It has the best and most significant 3D improvements, such as a built in 3D transceiver, 120Hz refresh and a brighter display. It also comes bundle with Nvidia's brand new 3D Vision 2.0 glasses. All for less then $700.

With that said you need a lot of power for both your video editing and to support 3D gaming. 3D gaming cuts all frame rates in half as every other frame is sent to each eye separately. Frames 1, 3, 5, 7, etc to one eye and frames 2, 4, 6, 8, etc to the other eye. So a gaming set up that can provide a playable 60fps on a standard monitor will only be 30fps in 3D.

You will need a minimum of x3 SLI to support that and maintain playable frame rate and x3 SLI requires the x79 platform. The x79 platform will also benefit you for your video editing. So check out this build below.

Ticket Number: 657324
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3930K 3.2GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Six-Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 PRO (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s) <b></b>
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Corsair Pro Gold Series (CMPSU-1200AX) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)  <b></b>
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition)
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Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 3x SLI Triple (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 2.5GB (Includes PhysX) (EVGA 025-P3-1579-BR)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H100 Liquid CPU Cooler (240mm Radiator) (Extreme-Performance Edition)
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It may seem like a lot but if you want good quality, proper 3D gaming that's what you are going to need.

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  Quote thatsprime Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 11:54am
Wow, Jmaster299,

Thanks for the quick reply. I should have also said that I prefer the LG 3D for a couple of reasons. The most important one is that myself and my wife both wear glasses and find active 3D to be bothersome and like the way passive 3D looks. Active 3D gives my wife headaches and myself I can't get used to the fluttering of the active glasses.

I forgot to mention that my budget is 2500 to 3000, It will be hard enough to convince my wife to let me spend 3000 but 4, theres no way she'll agree to that.
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  Quote jmaster299 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 12:21pm
That LG monitor is not passive 3D and it still requires glasses. Click on specifications then go to features, it clearly says "Glasses Type / Clip-on Type". There are no passive 3D PC monitors on the market that I've ever heard of and there are only a handful of very expensive TVs with passive 3D. Everything else requires 3D glasses, including that LG monitor you are looking at.

The one thing I don't see noted for that LG monitor is it's refresh rate. For 3D you'll want a higher refresh rate for proper game play. As I said 3D cuts frame rates in half, on a standard monitor with a 60Hz refresh rate you will max out at 60fps being displayed and in reality you will only see 30fps as the frames are split to each eye.

The ASUS monitor has a 120Hz refresh rate allowing a max 120fps to be supported by the monitor meaning each eye will be able to see a proper 60fps for gaming.

Also, when you have a monitor that is attempting to perform the 3D conversion all on it's own you are just asking for trouble. Nvidia's 3D system is handled by the graphics cards, which are a billion times more powerful then what ever processor they are sticking in that monitor to perform the 3D conversion.

With such a tight budget 3D may not be the best choice for you. It's nothing someone should get on a budget. Many people do that and end up having a bad experience since their hardware can not handle 3D to it's full potential.

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  Quote thatsprime Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 12:38pm
This is the monitor I am considering

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/lg-dm2780d-27-full-hd-led-3d-tv-monitor-11866806-pdt.html

And this is the the IPS one that I was hoping wont be to expensive

http://www.digitalversus.com/lcd-monitor/lg-slim-bezel-27-passive-3d-ips-monitor-coming-2012-n22569.html

Both are passive 3D monitors.  Passive meaning that they use passive glasses where active use active shutter glasses. 

Passive glasses have 2 kinds.  A stand alone kind and clip on ones.  The clip on ones allow people like myself who wear glasses to use clip on glasses to go over your prescribed glasses, where active do not have clip on glasses.

Viewsonic also make passive 3D monitors.

I also found on Nvidia's web site a list of all 3D supported monitors, including passive monitors.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-system-requirements.html


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  Quote jmaster299 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 1:10pm
It would seem those companies are throwing around the term passive improperly. Passive 3D is 3D with out glass and can be found in select smart phones and certain TVs. Anything that requires glasses is technically Active but it's not uncommon for these companies to call a spade a club when it's really a spade.

The one thing you are forgetting though is in order to use Nvidia's 3D system you must use Nvidia's specific glasses that talk to the Nvidia receiver that plugs into your computer. Those other monitors work with Nvidia's 3D Vision but require use of the Nvidia 3D Vision glasses.

Those monitors support their own form of 3D that will work with the glasses specific to those monitors but it is not the same thing. It will be like I mentioned where the chip inside the monitor is doing the 3D processing on it's own. Your system will be sending the monitor a standard 2D image and the monitor will attempt to convert it into 3D for you.

For your movies or pictures those monitors should work fine but your 3D gaming performance will suffer unless you are using the Nvidia 3D Vision system which again requires you use the Nvidia glass and not the glasses that come with the monitor. As you will see right on Nvidia's 3D Vision System Requirements page it lists 3D Vision Kit.

With all of that said, to use the built in 3D support for movies and such on that monitor this build should work well for you.

Ticket Number: 657351

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3  (Intel Z68 Chipset) (Features Intel Quick Sync Technology)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)  <b></b>
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Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 2.5GB (PhysX) (EVGA 025-P3-1579-BR) <b></b>
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H100 Liquid CPU Cooler (240mm Radiator) (Extreme-Performance Edition) <b></b>
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
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Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro or Deluxe Series Motherboard) <b></b>
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
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  Quote thatsprime Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 6:34pm
Thank you for your help. I just have one a couple of questions still. Sorry, but I'm new to custom PC making. I usually just buy a pre-configured system.

If I want to later, will this configuration allow me to have put in another video card to have 3x SLI? and so you would recommend a heaver video cards over more ram? and you don't think I should have the video cards overclocked?

Also, I'm a little confused. I thought I read in one of the forum posts that for the money and performance people where being recommended to use the GTX 570 1.2 over the 2.5. I could be wrong. If anyone knows please let me know.

Thanks

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  Quote jmaster299 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Feb 2012 at 7:04pm
1. No you can not upgrade to x3 SLI later on with this build. To do that you will need to go with the x79 platform, that means a 3930k or 3960k CPU like I link in the first build.

It's because the MOBOs (motherboards) that use the 2600k do not have enough PCI lanes. Don't confuse PCI slots with PCI lanes though. PCI lanes are the data lanes on the MOBO that all those different slots and things like the rear I/O ports use to transfer their information.

2. More RAM will not help you at all in gaming. 8GB of RAM is way more then enough. Even your video editing will not use it up. You only need more RAM if you are doing something like rendering. Since you will be running 3D another GPU will help.

3. No, do not over clock the video cards. Your performance gain will be around 5fps or so and it will only make your cards run hotter and wear out faster. GPUs do not handle overclocking well like a CPU can.

Even avoid graphics cards that are over clocked from the manufacture, like Superclocked versions and stuff like that. Again the performance gain will minimal and it's worse for the card.

4. No on the 570's too. People at first kept recommending the 1.2GB version but those recommendations were bases on assumptions and not any actual performance results. Myself and a couple other people have started using the 2.5GB version and there is a difference.

I have a single monitor, non 3D set up and I started out with the GTX 570 1.2GB and I found some games like Arkham City and BF3 were eating up all my VRam and my performance was limited. I upgraded to the GTX 570 2.5GB and it made a noticeable difference.

It will be even more important for you with 3D since it requires more resources.

I never mind answering questions so don't worry about asking. Hopefully I cleared up some of that confusion about 3D. If you and your wife have issues with it you may want to reconsider it since again you won't be able to use those special LG glasses if you want to use Nvidia's 3D Vision system.


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would suggest switching that cooler to the Noctua D14 as well instead of the H100
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  Quote jmaster299 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Feb 2012 at 11:26am
I used to recommend the D14 all the time too because of everything DST used to say about it but Alex has done a good job of showing the H100 does beat the D14 in temps. Even with the H100 fans on low it was beating the D14 in the various benchmarks that DST and Alex were trading back and forth.

Yes the temp difference was small but it was still there. Plus after my own struggles with the RAM in my system I know I would prefer to not have the big CPU cooler in my way. Add in the fact that the radiator for the H100 can get mounted in the open vent for the HAF X you end up saving a few dollars as you don't have to pay for that optional fan.

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I was wondering if I went with 1 or 2 video cards now, would I be able to add additional cards myself to make it SLI or 3 SLI? I will have the 3930k Processor and the ASUS P9X79 PRO Motherboard. Does anyone know if it is very difficult to do myself or should I just get the SLI now? And since I've never done it before is there a lot of wiring that has to get done to have SLI if I'm doing it myself?

I'm just trying to save some money right now. I really want to get the system, but SLI is EXPENSIVE and wifey will never go for that much at once. I'm considering dumping the whole 3D thing, but then I read that even without 3D I might need to go SLI. Ugh, so confused.

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  Quote jmaster299 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 9:37am
Adding additional GPUs is very easy. You just have to make sure to get the other necessary hardware now. For example to go with x2 SLI later you will still need the Corsair 1050hx and to go with x3 SLI later you will need the Cosrair 1200w Pro Series Gold. You will also have to go with the x79 platform to do x3 SLI later.

To add the cards you will need simply connect the additional card(s) to the MOBO, add the additional power cables to the PSU (the PSU will come with extra cables) and connect the GPUs together via the SLI bridge. Your system should come with a x2 SLI bridge but for x3 SLI you'll have to buy he bridge yourself. The SLI bridge is just like a cable that connects the cards together.

Trying to run 3D is very, very expensive. So if your wife wants that she is going to need to accept the cost involved. Actually what I should said is 3D is expensive if you want to do it right. Far too many people want to use 3D but are not willing or able to purchase the right equipment and their experience with 3D suffers because of it.


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Installing a second card is fairly simple. On the lower section of a slightly old post, DST explains in detail with pictures.How to install SLI (second card)

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Nice link criTalon, I think I'm gonna bookmark that myself so I can link if necessary.

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How is this for a configuration?

Ticket 658420

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS HailStorm Edition
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3930K 3.2GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Six-Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 DELUXE (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Force GT Series CSSD-F120GBGT-BK) (SATA 6Gbps)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital/Seagate/Hitachi/Samsung (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs)
Optical Drive 2: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 2.5GB (Includes PhysX) (EVGA 025-P3-1579-BR) <b></b>
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: FrostChill Cooling System: CPU Only <b></b>
H20 Tube Color:White Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive) <b></b>
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans <b></b>
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Extra Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

I like this case but I know you like the Cooler Master 942 HAF X.  Is there anything wrong with this case, is it to small to add 2 SLI to later or even 3 SLI or will this work for 2 or 3 SLI later?

I did add the Frost Chill Cooling.  I not only think it will look really cool, but wont it help out alot with the cpu's heat when editing video?  I don't think it will do anything for the video cards.
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  Quote jmaster299 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 1:27pm
A few things, since you are going to be upgrading to x3 SLI later on you should really go with the HAF X. The Hail Storm case is very bad for air cooled GPUs and they will run much hotter in the Hail Storm then they will in the HAF X.

The Stage 3 Frost Chill is not worth the extra money. Go with the Stage 2 Corsair H100, in order to beat the temps of the H100 you will need to go with Stage 4 LC or better which is even more money. The H100 is more then enough to keep that CPU running with very good temps.

If you can in any way afford it I would go with the x2 SLI GTX 570 2.5GB right now to start and just add that one extra card later. Starting with only one graphics card for right now will not be enough to support the monitor you are going to be using even for non-3D. Adding the 3rd card later will improve your 3D experience but you'll need at least 2 cards to start.


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  Quote FrankW Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 1:48pm
Hi thatsprime,

If you want the ability to go Tri SLI here is a build that you can do that with a 4 core X79 CPU. This build has a better case for air cooling, PS, SSD, LC and OC. This system has less memory and no second DVD writer. It cost $175 more than your build.

Stage 4 LC gives you a 240 rad while the stage 3 OC only uses a 120 rad. The stage 4 is a better choice. If you are going stage 3 LC you might as well go with the H100.

The Hailstrom is not a good choice for air cooling the GPUs. This is a great LC case if both the CPU and GPU are LC. In your case I would want the HAF-X.

Configuration: 658445 Cost: $3346

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3820 3.6GHz (Turbo Mode up to 3.8GHz) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 DELUXE (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Corsair Pro Gold Series (CMPSU-1200AX) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Force GT Series CSSD-F120GBGT-BK) (SATA 6Gbps)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 2.5GB (PhysX) (EVGA 025-P3-1579-BR)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 4: Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System: CPU Only
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro or Deluxe Series Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty
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  Quote jmaster299 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 2:14pm
I did not notice that DS had added those new quad core Sandy-e chips. It's a great way to save money on the build so that money can be used on the x2 SLI. I'd still drop the Stage 4 LC for the H100 and save nearly $200. The H100 can more then handle the temps.

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  Quote thatsprime Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 2:26pm
< ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332/netdefender/hui/ndhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0"> Lets pretend that someone on this Forum doesn't understand what the new quad core Sandy-e Chip is.  Could you explain that.  That is the cpu right?  What build would I use with this?

Sorry for the ignorance



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  Quote jmaster299 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 2:39pm
Yes, the build that FrankW listed is the x79 platform, which will allow u to use x3 SLI later, but it only has a quad core CPU instead of the more expensive 6 core CPUs.

The current Intel CPUs are called Sandy Bridge. The base Sandy Bridge CPUs are things like the i5 2500k quad core (no hypert-threading which means no virtual cores, the i7 2600k quad core (which does use HT so it acts like it has 8 cores.

Then there is the Sandy-e chips, "e" standing for enthusiast, which all use the x79 platform motherboards. That would be the 3930k and 3960k, both of which have 6 CPU cores plus HT to act like they have 12 cores.

Intel just recently released another edition the Sandy-e series the 3820 which is only a quad core (plus HT to act like 8 cores) but it has faster clock speeds then the 2600k plus it uses the x79 platform which allows you to us the correct motherboard needed for x3 SLI.

For your use you do not need a 6 core CPU like the 3930k or the 3960k but previously they were the only two chips available for use on the x79 platform. With the 3820 you can save a few hundred dollars on the CPU and use that on a second GPU instead to start off.

That would mean all you would need to add later is one more GTX 570 2.5GB and your system would be complete.


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  Quote thatsprime Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 3:47pm
That sounds good to me. But is there a major difference in processing power between the 3820 and the 3930 or 3960k?

How does this build work?

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Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3820 3.6GHz (Turbo Mode up to 3.8GHz) (Quad Core) <b></b>
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 DELUXE (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s) <b></b>
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Corsair Pro Gold Series (CMPSU-1200AX) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) <b></b>
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Force GT Series CSSD-F120GBGT-BK) (SATA 6Gbps)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital/Seagate/Hitachi/Samsung (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) <b></b>
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs) <b></b>
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 2.5GB (PhysX) (EVGA 025-P3-1579-BR) <b></b>
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: FrostChill Cooling System: CPU Only <b></b>
H20 Tube Color:White Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive) <b></b>
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue) <b></b>
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

If I understand you correctly, I can still add another card to get 3SLI at a later date, right? I was wondering about the 580, are they that much better than the 570 2.5 cards or am I good with the 570?

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  Quote jmaster299 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 3:57pm
Technically yes but it's not something you need. If you were doing something like rendering then you would need all the CPU power you can get. But for gaming and even the video editing you want to do the 3820 will be way more then powerful enough.

Especially with the stage 2 OC on it increasing it's clock speed to 4.5-4.8GHz while under load. It's a very powerful CPU.

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  Quote thatsprime Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 4:01pm
I was editing my post when you posted a response. What do you think of the new build then? and does it does allow for 3SLI later, right?

And the 580 cards, are they really that much better or I'm good with the 570 2.5?
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  Quote jmaster299 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Feb 2012 at 4:24pm
The build is ok except a few things.
 
Ignore Stage 3 liquid cooling. Drop down to Stage 2 with the H100 or go up to Stage 4. Personally I recommend the H100 due to your budget as it will be way more then enough for your needs.

You do not have to but if you want you can easily go with the Stage 2 CPU over clock which is 4.5-4.8GHz. It's not required if you are looking to save money, the Stage 1 OC 4.0-4.4GHz will still be very good.

Don't worry about the 580's. The 2.5GB version of the 570's are nearly on par with the stock 580's. You would have to go all the way up to the 3GB version of the 580's for a real difference but it's going to cost you a lot more money that's not worth it.

Stick with the x2 GTX 570 2.5GB SLI for now and add a third one later. The config you have listed will handle adding a third 570 later.

Edit: Almost forgot. Drop the corsair SSD and go with the 180GB Intel 520 series, it's a better and faster SSD.


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  Quote thatsprime Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 4:06am
What about the Black Ops Assassin Edition Case. That seems to be built for proper cooling?
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