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    Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 7:11pm
Hi everyone, I bought a system here a few years back and now have a friend (iwantavr4) that is thinking about getting a new system. He registered here and tried to post, but received some error about spamming, so I am posting this for him. He's just looking for any feedback on his build choices.

Budget: $2500 - $3000

Expectations: Maxed current games, hopeful high settings for 2-3 years

Usage: Primarily gaming but also video editing

Special Needs: None

Saved Ticket #:
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadmarauder.asp?id=928389
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadenix.asp?id=928388

He also asked that I mention that he is Curious on the differences in the performance between 770 in sli and 780 gtx ti.

Hopefully he will get his login issue corrected and be able to ask/answer any questions.

Thanks!
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Here are the specs he is talking about.
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Configuration #928389,  $2977

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm Marauder V2
Processor: Intel Core i7 4770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS Z87-EXPERT (Intel Z87 Chipset) (Features Intel Thunderbolt Technology)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 2400MHz Corsair Vengeance Pro (High-Performance)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Storage Set 1: 1x (256GB Solid State (By: Samsung) (Model: 840 Pro Series)
Storage Set 2: 1x (1TB Western Digital RE (7200 RPM) (Model: Enterprise Edition) (SATA 6Gbps)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB (EVGA Superclocked ACX Cooler Edition)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 120mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (High-Performance Edition)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD)
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Parts)

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Configuration #928388,  $2870

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS Enix Edition
Processor: Intel Core i7 4770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS Z87-EXPERT (Intel Z87 Chipset) (Features Intel Thunderbolt Technology)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 2400MHz Corsair Vengeance Pro (High-Performance)
Power Supply: 750W Corsair CX
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: DVD/CD 8x Multi-Drive (Writes and Reads DVDs, CDs)
Storage Set 1: 1x (256GB Solid State (By: Samsung) (Model: 840 Pro Series)
Storage Set 2: 1x (1TB Western Digital RE (7200 RPM) (Model: Enterprise Edition) (SATA 6Gbps)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB (EVGA Superclocked ACX Cooler Edition)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 120mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (High-Performance Edition)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD)
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Parts)
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  Quote forrest74 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 8:05pm
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  Quote fstcvc Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 9:01pm
Of the two systems I'd go with the Enix build. Only change would be the PSU to the 850 RM as it's fully modular. For video editing (depends on software) the 2400 RAM might make a difference but not sure it's worth the money. Also, I always recommend the single best GPU unless you have immediate needs for a 4k or multi-monitor setup then go SLI. Not all games take advantage of SLI (and it scales differently between games that do support it) and almost no editing software will use it. Also, since we don't know the resolution of monitor that's in use, we are kind of shooting in the dark...
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  Quote iwantavr4 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 9:19pm
Thanks for the responses. Intended current resolution is 1920x1080, but likely intended a little higher (along par with the dell ultrasharps, ~2500x1400). Also no immediate plans on multi-monitor.

Also found this which also makes me think it be better to get a single 780 ti, and if necessary SLI it with another later...
on
anandtech
website page title
the-geforce-gtx-780-ti-review

This forum wont let me post links and its driving me bonkers!
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You can post links by doing the following:

[ url = www.abc.com ]Here is my link[ /url ]

Remove the spaces above...
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  Quote iwantavr4 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 12:09am
Still cant post links, says im spamming im guessing because I signed up today. The ram difference was ~$100 I believe, seemed fairly negligible. Will there not be much difference in RAM between 1600/2400?

Thanks again :)

Edited by iwantavr4 - 21 Feb 2014 at 12:28am
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  Quote fstcvc Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 7:25am
Game-wise most likely not. Video editing, maybe if your doing some really extreme stuff. Probably looking at 1% gain.

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  Quote danjw1 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 8:55am
That motherboard will not work in the Enix case. The case only supports up to the Micro-ATX form factor. The motherboard is an ATX form factor, thus too big. I do not believe that DS offers any Micro-ATX motherboards that support Thunderbolt.

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  Quote iwantavr4 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 9:55am
Originally posted by danjw1

That motherboard will not work in the Enix case. The case only supports up to the Micro-ATX form factor. The motherboard is an ATX form factor, thus too big. I do not believe that DS offers any Micro-ATX motherboards that support Thunderbolt.

I was actually wondering that, the case size for the Enix is drastically different, and the 'default' is a m-atx board, I was wondering if the standard board would fit, they offered it under the 'easy mode' - I figured they do some kind of check to ensure it will fit... Good to know, thanks!

Also thanks for the memory link, also great info!
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  Quote iwantavr4 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 10:35am
Have another question... Now that you've pointed out the difference in memory, I am actually looking at instead going to 32GB 1600MHz. How is the 'digital storm certified' RAM? It looks like the heat-sinks may be smaller and the brand isn't guaranteed, curious if its worth saving the ~20-30 bucks?

Another question regarding the modular power supply...

Is there a way to tell how much power you will need or use..? The possible end-goal is to have another 780 Ti in SLI (just two, not 3) and an additional 16GB in RAM (totaling 32GB).

Edited by iwantavr4 - 21 Feb 2014 at 10:49am
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 11:04am
For the little extra money, I'd go with the Corsair Vengeance ram.    Its a lifetime warranty and although the taller heat spreaders aren't really needed by most, they certainly don't hurt to have.  The DS ram doesn't mention warranty, so I assume it expires with the rig's warranty, but can't say for sure. 

The rated psu suggested by reputable testers like guru3d, and the manufacturer, is a 800-850 minimum for sli 780ti. For the oc'd version, it would be a bit more.    That's the minimum.  I would personally bump it up to 1000w or so.   It might be more than you need, but better to be safe.     When a psu struggles, you can get crashes, resets, bsod, etc and usually the psu is looked at last.    Ram doesn't factor in much, unless you're into oc'ing them.




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  Quote iwantavr4 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 12:01pm
OK... After all the suggestions and internal mulling, I think I have ended up here as a final spec... Any comments?
id 928642

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm Marauder V2
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 4770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS Z87-EXPERT (Intel Z87 Chipset) (Features Intel Thunderbolt Technology)
System Memory: 32GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance <b></b>
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: ASUS Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs) (Model: BC-12B1ST) <b></b>
Storage Set 1: 2x (240GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Neutron GTX Series) (SATA 6Gbps)
Storage Set 2: 1x (1TB Western Digital RE (7200 RPM) (Model: Enterprise Edition) (SATA 6Gbps)
Storage Set 3: 1x (1TB Western Digital RE (7200 RPM) (Model: Enterprise Edition) (SATA 6Gbps)
RAID Config: RAID 1: Mirroring: Drive Failure Data Fault Tolerance Protection (Requires 2 HDDs)
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB (EVGA Superclocked ACX Cooler Edition)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 120mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (High-Performance Edition)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Portable Gaming: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 1:14pm
Build looks good to me.

Grab the free t-shirt.   It's the law.

If you do add another 780ti with ACX cooler, the Marauder case does have the option to add up to two fans in the side window. The ACX does dump a lot of its heat into the case, instead of out the back like the reference card. First card should be fine. 2nd card might cause heat buildup that side fans will keep in check.

Good luck.

Edited by bprat22 - 21 Feb 2014 at 1:23pm
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  Quote Snaike Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by bprat22

...Grab the free t-shirt.   It's the law.


I was actually wondering how long until that came up.   
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We rarely forget.   
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  Quote danjw1 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 2:12pm
Looks like a good build. You could just set the second drive set as 2x instead of both lines. Just to make sure you understand the RAID level you set mirrors the drives so they are exact copies of each other, so they will only be 1TB of storage.

As, don't forget the free T-shirt! ;-)
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  Quote iwantavr4 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 2:45pm
Yeah, I wanted to set the 2nd drive as 2x, but it wouldn't allow (although maybe I should have used the advanced wizard). Definitely on purpose regarding the raid1, I have had it on most of my computers, didn't on my laptop that just crashed, waiting for 2-3 days for a new drive has been driving me nuts (backed everything up, just cant use the computer at all)...

Will also make sure I put a note in there about the fans and ensure its understood both sets of drives should be in RAID 1 (looks like the MB supports this).

Duly noted on the T-shirt, I wonder if they purposefully hide it at the bottom :P
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  Quote danjw1 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 3:41pm
This is one, I can't believe we all missed here, switch the SSDs to the Samsung 256GB 840 Pros, for better performance and warranty, they are the same price as the ones you have selected.

Edited by danjw1 - 21 Feb 2014 at 3:42pm
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  Quote fstcvc Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 7:13pm
^ First thing I always check are the drive types (Samsung/WD)... Was reading through the post waiting for someone to mention it!!

Otherwise looks like a solid build!!
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  Quote iwantavr4 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 9:11pm
Right on, thanks everyone...

Somehow it got switched, if you look at the initial builds I did have the Samsung SSDs, must have screwed up when I did the RAID.

I think I am all set, thanks again :)

I gotta say, this company, and the people supporting it seem really cool so far, refreshing :)
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