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    Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 5:56pm

I just spent days working on a config on the CP site. I finally settled on a nice rig and kept reading all the horror stories of service, product, delivery etc.

then i found this website with glowing reviews. my issue is i was looking to spend about $1550-$1600max and to get the same system here that I did on CP ($1551) it costs $1948 and that's only with 3GB RAM (vs 6).
here are my (major) specs that i had on CP:
   
  • *BASE_PRICE: [+1699]
  • BUNDLE: None
  • BLUETOOTH: None
  • CD: LG 22X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Dual Layer Drive [-29] (BLACK COLOR)
  • CD2: NONE [-24]
  • CAS: CoolerMaster Storm Sniper Mid-Tower Gaming Case [+45] (Original Color)
  • CASUPGRADE: NONE
  • CS_FAN: Default case fans
  • CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-920 2.66 GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366 [-290]
  • CARE1: Ultra Enhanced Packaging Solution - Protect Your Dream System During Transit [+19]
  • CARE2: CoolerMaster Thermal Fusion 400 Extreme Performance CPU - Thermal Compound Optimized for Thermal Dissipation [+10]
  • FREEBIE_OS: FREE! (Halo 2) Game
  • FLOPPY: NONE
  • FAN: CoolerMaster V8 Gaming CPU Cooling Fan (Extreme Silent Operation at only 22dBA + Overclock Proof) [+4]
  • FREEBIE_RM: None
  • FA_HDD: None
  • FLASHMEDIA: None
  • HDD: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [-22])
  • HDD2: NONE
  • IEEE_CARD: NONE
  • KEYBOARD: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
  • MOUSE: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
  • MODEM: NONE
  • MULTIVIEW: Xtreme Performance in SLI/CrossFireX Gaming Mode Supports Single Monitor
  • MONITOR: NONE
  • MONITOR2: NONE
  • MOTHERBOARD: (3-Way SLI Support) GigaByte GA-EX58-UD5 Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Ultra Durable™3 Mainboard Triple-Channel DDR3/1600 SATA RAID w/ eSATA [+129]
  • MEMORY: 6GB (2GBx3) DDR3/1600MHz Triple Channel Memory Module [+23] (Corsair Dominator [+60])
  • NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
  • OVERCLOCK: No Overclocking
  • OS: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)
  • OS_UPGRADE: None
  • POWERSUPPLY: Corsair Power Supplies [+13] (750 Watts CMPSU-750TX - Quad SLI Ready [+8])
  • PRINTER: None
  • PRINTER_CABLE: None
  • RUSH: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
  • SOFT1: Free 60 Days Microsoft® Office® 2007 (Words, Excel, Access, Power Point, Outlook + More) - Windows Vista™ Required
  • SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
  • SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
  • SPEAKERS: None
  • TEMP: Thermal Temperature Color LCD Display [+15] (Black Color)
  • TVRC: None
  • USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
  • USBHD: NONE
  • VIDEOCAMERA: NONE
  • VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 5850 PCI-E 16X 1GB Video Card [DirectX 11 Support] [-95] (Major Brand Powered by ATI)
  • VIDEO2: None
  • VIDEO3: None
  • VC_PHYSX: NONE
  • VC_GAMES: None
  • WNC: NONE [-14]
  • _PRICE: (+1551)
  • I need help trying to get a comperable system. Primary uses will be gaming and photos. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks

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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 7:17pm
    msc728 cp's systems are crap that is why they cost less, they use quality parts here so they cost more money, also they don't oc and put it under warranty do they?



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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 7:45pm
    you have to pay for the OC and there is a 3 yr warranty, but good luck getting service. Are the parts here retail/new or OEM parts. Also, do you have any suggestions on a comparable system i can get here...I am willing to go $1800 max. i want peice of mind and i know i wont get it with CP so I am willing to pay more here.
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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 8:28pm
    ok so how much is it for the oc and I know there is a 3 year warranty I'm asking if the warranty covers the system with oc.

    I do have recommendations however the price is a bit higher, however if we go with a 275 then it will be about $200 cheaper, I don't believe that the 5850 is worth $200 more then the 275 when they both have pretty much the same performance, 4 to 7 fps are not worth $200 more and IMHO nor is dx11 support, but I will show you both anyways:

    Nvidia system:


    Here you go Ticket# 351048 --- Price: $1789 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $1789

    Copy of Specifications:
    Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
    Exterior Finish: - Not Available
    Interior Finish: - Not Available
    Trim Accents: - Not Available
    Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
    Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
    System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified by mushkin enhanced (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
    Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
    Card Reader: - Not Available
    Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
    Set 1 Raid Options: - Not Available
    Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
    Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
    Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
    Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
    Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
    Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
    Add-on Card: - No Thanks
    Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
    Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-U12P High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
    Liquid Color:- Not Available
    Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
    Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
    Enhancements: - Not Available
    Chassis Mods: - Not Available
    Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
    Boost Video Card: - Not Available
    Boost Memory: - Not Available
    Tweak Windows: - Not Available
    Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
    Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
    Virus Protection: - Not Available
    Office: - Not Available
    Benchmarking: - Not Available
    Install/Test Game: - Not Available
    LCD Display: - No Thanks
    Surge Shield: - No Thanks
    Speakers: - No Thanks
    Keyboard: - No Thanks
    Mouse: - No Thanks
    External Storage: - No Thanks
    Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
    Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
    Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

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    Ati system:

    Here you go Ticket# 351050 --- Price: $1943 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $1943

    Copy of Specifications:
    Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
    Exterior Finish: - Not Available
    Interior Finish: - Not Available
    Trim Accents: - Not Available
    Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
    Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
    System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified by mushkin enhanced (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
    Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
    Card Reader: - Not Available
    Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
    Set 1 Raid Options: - Not Available
    Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
    Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
    Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
    Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
    Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
    Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5850 1GB (Backorder ETA November 17th)
    Add-on Card: - No Thanks
    Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
    Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-U12P High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
    Liquid Color:- Not Available
    Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
    Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
    Enhancements: - Not Available
    Chassis Mods: - Not Available
    Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
    Boost Video Card: - Not Available
    Boost Memory: - Not Available
    Tweak Windows: - Not Available
    Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
    Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
    Virus Protection: - Not Available
    Office: - Not Available
    Benchmarking: - Not Available
    Install/Test Game: - Not Available
    LCD Display: - No Thanks
    Surge Shield: - No Thanks
    Speakers: - No Thanks
    Keyboard: - No Thanks
    Mouse: - No Thanks
    External Storage: - No Thanks
    Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
    Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
    Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

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    or you could order teh system without gpu and then go to newegg and get your own gpu and drop it in and save about $100:

    Here you go Ticket# 351054 --- Price: $1546 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $1546

    Copy of Specifications:
    Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
    Exterior Finish: - Not Available
    Interior Finish: - Not Available
    Trim Accents: - Not Available
    Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
    Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
    System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified by mushkin enhanced (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
    Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
    Card Reader: - Not Available
    Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
    Set 1 Raid Options: - Not Available
    Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
    Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
    Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
    Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
    Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
    Video Card: - No Thanks, I will be installing my own video card(s)
    Add-on Card: - No Thanks
    Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
    Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-U12P High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
    Liquid Color:- Not Available
    Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
    Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
    Enhancements: - Not Available
    Chassis Mods: - Not Available
    Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
    Boost Video Card: - Not Available
    Boost Memory: - Not Available
    Tweak Windows: - Not Available
    Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
    Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
    Virus Protection: - Not Available
    Office: - Not Available
    Benchmarking: - Not Available
    Install/Test Game: - Not Available
    LCD Display: - No Thanks
    Surge Shield: - No Thanks
    Speakers: - No Thanks
    Keyboard: - No Thanks
    Mouse: - No Thanks
    External Storage: - No Thanks
    Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
    Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
    Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

    this one has no gpu, go to newegg, and get your won gpu for $299 and that should bring the price to:

    1546 + 299 = $1845

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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 8:40pm
    ok, so the only difference is the vid card. I like build 1 better. 2 more questions. how is the noctua fan (i would pay more for the CM v8 if available)? Also, when the 300 series comes out from nvidia can i run SLI with the 275 or do they have to be the same (ie 2 x 275 etc) thanks for your help!
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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 8:48pm
    My pleasure boss

    ok lets see

    1. v8 is availabe for less, but Noctua is better and is more quiet and the price difference is like $15, go with Noctua its the right choice and why I piced it.

    2. they have to be the same, however the fermi is suppose to beat the 5870 line, in short a fermi will give you the performance of 2 x 275 but in one card and no internal sli, the new cards are gonna be powerful and will perform like 2 of the current cards.

    if you have an old gpu that you can drop in that last config and just wait 2 or 3 month, you can then take the money for gpu and put it into a nice fermi, this way you will spend less and have double the gpu performance, even better then the 5870.

    the fermi is suppose to have better power usage then teh current cards so if it has the same needs as a 275, then you can run dual sli 275 or fermi if you wanted to.

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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 8:59pm

    i have a Nvidea 7900, pretty old.

    the fermi sounds sweet. thanks again!
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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 9:53pm
    My pleasure

    so use the 7800 for 2 month or so and before you know it you have a fermi
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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Nov 2009 at 12:23pm
    which "configurator" did you use for build 1?
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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Nov 2009 at 5:17pm
    I think it was i7 extreme 1 prebuild, I used the same cofig for all of them, the only difference between them is that the first one has a 275, second one has the 5850 and the third one has no gpu.
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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Nov 2009 at 8:59pm
    cool, thanks. I'll probably order next week. I assume they are closed on the weekends. I saved a config, but never got an email. I'll just have to talk to them monday.
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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Nov 2009 at 9:07pm
    you don't need an email, you just need the ticket number.

    I'm not sure what the email thing is to being with cause it has never emailed lol
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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 6:33pm
    DST, need your advice again.
    1. I think in sometime in the near future I wl add another 275. wl the 750 PSU be good for that.
    2. Are there any other improvements/suggestions to build 1, i think i can get my budget to $2k.
    3. help me pick out a case...i cant decide and it's holding me up!!!
    i like 932, but am leary about the dust, b ut i could add filters myself. Sniper has dust filters and great airflow as well and is all black..arg!
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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Nov 2009 at 3:52pm
    1. yes

    2. only things I would change if there is more money are:

    a. go with 932

    b. if you see your might need tri sli or something like that in the future then go with 1000w corsair.

    3. sniper does not have the room of 932, I would go with 932, more room better temps and can take bigger mobos.

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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Nov 2009 at 3:58pm
    thanks! I am going to place order tonight
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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Nov 2009 at 3:59pm
    My pleasure and good luck call Sarah at 1-866-817-8676 Extension: 115 and she will set you up
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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Nov 2009 at 9:57pm
    Made the order tonight!!! They were kind enough to let me know about the free game because I didnt see it on the forums until now. I' very excited and now the waiting game begins!!!!Heart
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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Nov 2009 at 10:04pm
    Congrats , Let the torture begin

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    already on stage 4!!!Heart
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      Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Nov 2009 at 10:54pm
    awesome bro congrats!!!!!!!! the sniper has a meshing on one of the sides of the case and it doesn't really do much since you have other fans blowing dust around anyway... and there is only 1 mesh. frozencpu is where u can find filters if u need
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    congrats bro!!!!!!!!!! on the cs sniper case the only fan that has a "filer" is on the left side of the xase. it is only a mesh tho and not a true filter. all the other fans havezero filtration and will blow dust around anyway... might as well go with the 932 it is the best case in my opinion. i just wish it had more style! 
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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 4:46pm
    If i were to get a new monitor (looking at hp 2159m). i would be gaming at 1900x1080. Is it essential to get 275gtx in SLI? Right now or should i say soon i will have i7 920 overclock to 3.4+, 6 mb ram, 750w corsair psu, and 1x275gtx (pretty much build 1 on the prev page). thanks!

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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 4:54pm
    if you want to run games at highest settings and they do support sli then you will need 2 x 275 for that res.
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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 4:59pm
    ok this may be a dumb question, but how do i know if a game supports sli. Fallout 3 says enhanced for mulit core, red faction:guerilla say same but also direct x 10, Halflife 2 not sure and not sure about Cod mod warfare 2. none of them said SLi on the packaging anywhere.
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    those all support sli as far as I know.
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      Quote riffraff Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 5:19pm
    Originally posted by msc728

    ok this may be a dumb question, but how do i know if a game supports sli. Fallout 3 says enhanced for mulit core, red faction:guerilla say same but also direct x 10, Halflife 2 not sure and not sure about Cod mod warfare 2. none of them said SLi on the packaging anywhere.
     
    OK,  I will take a shot at this one.  Games don't know the difference.  The SLI stuff is out of the games hands(pretty much).  I hope this helps but more knowlegable folks will reply.  This board has a HUGH brain trust within it.  Some folks are just more willing to help than others.
     
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      Quote riffraff Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 5:20pm
    I should have known, the most helpful poster beat me to the reply.
     
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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 5:21pm
    got it, thanks. i'll have to add another one if i get the monitor.
    I dont want to put the cart before the horse...
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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 5:23pm

    meaning i want to get my new system and use it now!!!!!!Geek

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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 5:24pm
    sli does depend on the game, if the game does not support it then you can't use sli.

    just fyi
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      Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 5:44pm

    False. As long as Nvidia has a SLI profile for the game, SLI will work. If Nvidia does not have a SLI profile, you can make one for the specific game.

    Some engines/games will scale more efficiently than others, but SLI will work with all games.
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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 5:56pm
    thanks, i have a lot to learn...
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      Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 6:16pm
    OK, SLI profile does help, but it does not provide the same performance gain as actual sli.

    in short sli profile is not the same as actual sli support.

    some sli profiles will provide very little performance gain.

    we have tested this on many games on this forum alone, last year if I'm not mistaken.

    Edited by DST4ME - 13 Nov 2009 at 6:29pm
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      Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Nov 2009 at 6:49pm
    all the profile does is enable SLI, how well it scales is a different story, that is up to the engine/game.
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      Quote msc728 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Nov 2009 at 5:47pm
    At this point, to game at 1900x1080, what is better. 2 x 275gtx or 1x5870.
    It seems as though the 5870 is more "future proof". It would cost about $16 more for the 5870 (which is in stock at newegg) vs the 2x275. I'm sure performance is close but Nvidia has no direct x11 support a s of now. I'm thinking of changing my rig...yet again, but my window is starting to close...thanks!
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