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    Posted: 06 Mar 2008 at 3:17pm
I need help with configuring the main componets for a new PC (not necessarily from DSO, just any site with a decent price and the parts I'm looking for)
 
First off, let me start with the graphics card(s). I can either go with two 8800 GT's in SLI or one GTX (with the possibility of SLI once prices drop.) Now before everyone instantly says to go with the 8800 GT's, let me ask this, what about in the long run and with newer games coming out? Try to think far into the future, I don't upgrade every 12-18 months like most people do. which one will be better? (Note: this PC will be made for gaming, kinda obvious huh?.) (Yes I have read information about the whole GT-SLI Vs. GTX thing, but I can't get those answers through my thick skull.) (I haven't really read anything on the 8800GTS G92s, so I don't know about those cards)
 
Normally I run my games at 1024x768 resolution, once I upgrade I will probably move up to 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 resolution on some games.(So this may affect your judgment.)
 
Also most of the games I am playing currently are: Dawn of War, Company of Heroes, Supreme Commander, and Call of Duty 4. So take these kind of games in mind.
 
So with this information I hope my question will be answered. OR do i wait for the 9800s? (Another note: I'm on a $2000 budget.)
 
To my next item, Motherboards, whats the difference (and which one is really better,) the Asus P5N-T Deluxe, Or the Asus Striker Extreme.
I'm trying to stay within the area of Asus unless another motherboard is really better. Also for future uses for the board I'm looking for PCI-E x16 2.0 and to have the full x16-x16 SLI mode.
 
The two main sites im looking at right now are DigitalStorm and AvaDirect.
 
IF (yes, IF, you dont have to, information will suffice) you want to configure a system for ideas, don't worry about the OS, monitor, optical drive, keyboard, mouse, or speakers, for the processor nothing less than the e8400 (quad or dual processor. as long as its as good or better than the e8400 I'm fine) and I would prefer the 850 case (CM Stacker 830 Evolution.)
 
Also another note: this thing doesnt have to be built instantly, I believe I'm patient enough to wait if that is what's required.
 
I hope with the way I typed this up didn't throw you guys off too bad.
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  Quote skyR Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Mar 2008 at 4:39pm
You can easily run every game on max settings (except crysis) at 1024x768. I know for sure that CoH, SC, and CoD4 runs at 60+ fps.

In 24+ months, you can just pick up the new gen cards.
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  Quote SunfighterLC Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Mar 2008 at 4:41pm
and the eVGA step up program is 90 days right?
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  Quote Rank393 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Mar 2008 at 5:13pm
Originally posted by SunfighterLC

and the eVGA step up program is 90 days right?
 
Yep. I keep hearing seeing conflicting info. I'm hearing the 9800GX2s ill be released March 18th and then I'm hearing they will not be released until later this year.
 
 In any case, I was reading the Evga forums. The Evga folks were saying that people  will not be able to use the Step Up program  for the initial 9800 series release since they will be in such  high demand.
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  Quote skyR Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Mar 2008 at 5:18pm
Yep, the step up program is 90 days. The 9800GX2 is releasing this month.
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  Quote Somebody Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Mar 2008 at 11:18am

Oooook.... Thanks for giving me the relief of knowing I can get 60+ Fps on those games at 1024x768 resolutions. But my questions were not answered.

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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Mar 2008 at 11:51am
Without knowing what the 9800 cards will sell for, it's rather difficult to recommend an option between waiting or buying now at a given budget.

Given the current GPU choices only, I would opt for the 8800GTS over either the 8800GT or the GTX. The 8800GTS provides performance on par with the GTX for less money. It also expels it's exhaust heat outside of the case. Given your budget, I assume air cooling, so this feature is a major plus.

At the resolutions you currently game at, and even the ones you list potentially upgrading to, SLi is not going to help you much, if at all. The SLi card is a mirror of the primary graphics card and helps to process the additional information in a high resolution display. It doesn't do much more than burn additional power and generate heat when you play at low resolutions.

I don't have any uncontrollable impulses to play with the configuration page, but I can offer a suggested build if you like. If you want PCI-e 2.0 and you want an ASUS mainboard, you've already made a decision on which of those two boards is better. The Striker Extreme is based on 680i architecture, and has two  16x PCI-e 1.1 slots. You can confirm this information at the ASUSTek site.

P5N-T Deluxe

ASUS Striker Extreme

Personally, I would take EGVA over ASUS any day of the week based on customer support alone, but since you'll be able to go through DSO for  support, I guess the partner makes less difference.



Edited by Tyler Lowe - 07 Mar 2008 at 11:52am
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  Quote Somebody Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Mar 2008 at 1:03pm
If you have free time and have nothing else to do, I would appreciate a custom configuration from you.
 
Also, with the information you have given me and my spur of the moment ideas how does this look:
 
Case: Digital Storm 850Si (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 550W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00GHz (1333MHz Front Side Bus) (6MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 780i Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 780i SLI)
Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair at 800MHz XMS2 (Dual Channel) (Performance)
Floppy / Card: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 1: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800GTS 512MB (By: eVGA) (PCI-Express)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Motherboard Multi-Channel High Definition Audio
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU Only (Blood Red Liquid)
Case Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Red Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Round Cables: - No Thanks
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Overclock Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor
Overclock Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Overclock Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: - No Thanks, Please test my memory, I will be responsible for software based support
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Pre-Install Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
Support: Lifetime Toll-Free Platinum Care Technical Support

 
The liquid cooled CPU is not necessary, but I have extra money left over and thought it would look cool. Even after the liquid cooling I still have $97 left! I may use that for OC'ing
 
Also, if you not busy could you find me major specification differences in the Asus striker extreme and the EVGA 780 I have chose. I would choose the P5N-T but DSO doesn't have it.
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Mar 2008 at 12:11am
You're also probably running a bit of a handicap on the overclocking potential of the Wolfdale CPU you selected by going with 800MHz RAM. That will take you up to a 1600MHz front side bus. I'm not yet fully up to speed on the Wolfdales, but my math tells me, that means you're capped at around 3.6 GHz.

 If you are happy with that as a soft ceiling on your overclock (the RAM may have some overclocking potential as well, so you might be able to push further), the selected RAM should be ok.

The power supply you selected suggests you are fairly certain SLi is not in your future. Given this, I would recommend the following:

$1991

I went with the X38 chipset for best overclocking capability. The RAM was upgraded for the same reason. I did dispense with the liquid cooling. At your budget, it's just easier to air cool. I hope this wasn't something you had your heart set on. If you do, I suggest considering that wait you talked about, and setting aside the additional money for the liquid cooling so it doesn't cost you anything on the performance side.

It's interesting that the motherboard is again an ASUS. I would have gone with an EVGA had the chipset been NForce, but without the need to run SLi., it's difficult to suggest going with an NForce northbridge over the X38.

I linked the ASUS site already, the EVGA product page is here. Between the two you should be able to find what you are looking for in terms of specs.
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  Quote Somebody Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Mar 2008 at 12:05pm

Nice build Tyler I will keep that one in mind. But I think I'm going insane.

I can either go with your build or go with this build:
  • COOLERMASTER, CM Stacker 830 Evolution (RC-830) Black Tower Case, EATX, No PSU, Aluminum, SLI Certified
  • THERMALTAKE, Toughpower, 80 PLUS®, 700W Power Supply w/ Modularized Cable Management, 24-pin ATX12V EPS12V, Quad +12V, SLI Ready
  • ASUS, P5N-T Deluxe, LGA775, nForce 780i SLI, 1333MHz FSB, DDR2-1066 8GB /4, PCIe x16 SLI /3, SATA RAID 5 /6, HDA, GbLAN, FW /2, ATX, Retail
  • INTEL, Core™ 2 Duo E8400 Dual-Core, 3.0GHz, 1333MHz FSB, 6MB L2 Cache, 45nm, 65W, EM64T EIST VT XD, Retail
  • ZALMAN, CNPS9500 Copper CPU Cooler, Socket 775, No LED
  • CORSAIR, 2GB (2 x 1GB) XMS2 Dominator PC2-8500 DDR2 1066MHz CL5 (5-5-5-15) 2.1V SDRAM 240-pin DIMM, Non-ECC, Heatsink
  • BFG TECH, GeForce™ 8800 GTS OC 675MHz, 512MB GDDR3 1940MHz, PCIe x16 SLI, DVI /2, HDTV-Out, Retail
  • WESTERN DIGITAL, 500GB WD Caviar® SE16 (WD5000AAKS), SATA II 300MB/s, 7200-RPM, 16MB cache
  • LITE-ON, DH-52C2P-08 Black 52x/32x/16x CD-R/CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive, EIDE/ATAPI, Retail w/ Software
  • CASE FAN, LED Fans Maximum Package, Red
  • MICROSOFT, Windows XP Professional Edition w/ SP2c, OEM
  • Price: $1920.26
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    In comparing them, they both pretty good.

    OR, do I get rid of some of the blinky stuff and get this when it comes out:
     
     
    And also, Tech Support shouldn't be to big of an issue. The reason for this is because, my dad is an IT administrator or HawkerBeechcraft, formerly, Raytheon.
     
    I really do appreciate you help Tyler, I'm just trying to get something that is future proof for less than $2000. (future proof as in: possibility for SLI in the future, i may get a bigger monitor (it's and 18" now. and also a system that will last me 4-5 years (the one im on right now has lasted about 5-6 with small upgrades)
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      Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Mar 2008 at 8:47pm
    Getting one of those might be pretty tough at first. Intel can't keep up with demand for the chips they have out now.

    I'll tell you what I would do. I'm just a customer, I have no personal stake in where you buy. I think this is a pretty good company, and I know the build quality and support is excellent.

    I would drop in a 620HX in the build I posted in place of the "550W", call up DSO and offer them the chance to price match. The 620HX is a superb power supply and will deliver all of the power it says it does. That puts it on par with many "700W" PSU's, more than enough to run most SLI setups, including 2x 8800GTS.

    I don't know if they will, but I do know that *I* would never have let a customer walk to the competition over 2 and a half points when I was in sales.
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      Quote Glenn-HI Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Mar 2008 at 10:57pm
    With the step-up program will someone getting a computer from DS be able to comply with the repackaging without paying the 15% penalty?
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      Quote Glenn-HI Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Mar 2008 at 10:58pm
    Oh here is the web site conditions page.
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