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    Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 2:42pm
Hi everyone, it's been about 8 years since my last DS build and I think it's time. Every so often I upgrade my GPU, and currently I have a GTX 1080 that I plan on using in the new build.

Budget: Under $2500

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I have an ultrawide monitor, so I play games at 3440x1440. For now my plan was to transfer the 1080 card I have to this new system and upgrade with the next card cycle.

I also have a NAS with 8 TB of storage so I don't need any storage drives.

Saved Ticket #: 3161680

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Chassis Model: Digital Storm Velox
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i9-10900K (5.3 GHz Turbo) (20-Thread) (10-Core) 3.7 GHz <br><strong></strong>
Motherboard: ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS / MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE (Wi-Fi) (Intel Z490) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices) <br><strong></strong>
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series <br><strong></strong>
Power Supply: 850W Corsair / EVGA / Thermaltake (Modular) (80 Plus Gold) <br><strong></strong>
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (512GB Samsung 970 PRO) (NVM Express) <br><strong></strong>
Storage Set 2: - No Thanks <br><strong></strong>
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x - No Thanks <br><strong></strong>
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance) <br><strong></strong>
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit Edition) <br><strong></strong>
Recovery Tools: - No Thanks <br><strong></strong>
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: - No Thanks
Mouse Pad: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, 6 Week Ship Estimate After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)

Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,230.00

A couple of questions I have:

1. I've always been nervous with liquid cooling. Is it truly maintenance free? Is it that much better than stage 1 air cooling?

2. Is it a problem if I get a system with no video card and simply transfer my current card to the new build?

Thanks in advance for any help!
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  Quote Bob100 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by Myrkul23

1. I've always been nervous with liquid cooling. Is it truly maintenance free? Is it that much better than stage 1 air cooling?


I was nervous about the liquid cooling as well when I ordered my new Lumos about 8 months ago. As a result, I did order the Stage 1 air cooling. Mine looks like it is a Coolermaster unit, without the Coolermaster name on the fan housing.

So far, I have not had any heat issues. The only game I play is DCS World on max settings.

As I am typing this reply, my 8 cpu core temps (i7 9700K) range from 31 to 35 degrees C.
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jun 2020 at 4:28am
The all-in-one liquid coolers are highly reliable, are not known to leak, and if one did, it leaks non-conductive fluid. No maintenance. When they first appeared, retail computer builders were all over them and still are. Was it hype? I really don't know. Virtually everyone that gets a computer here gets one, but the fact is the copper heat pipe design cools rather well also. There may be a few degrees difference on average, but either will keep your proc well under a temp that should be any concern. This choice is entirely your call. I see you're not going to overclock, so that's a better case for air. IMHO, I would recommend against air for a Stage 2 overclock.

No problem at all ordering without a GPU. With the extended wait times, if you wanted to cross all your T's, you could actually send your card to DS and have them include it in the build when they test it. Not necessary, but it's been done. I'm pretty sure they would charge something for that special handling, but they would be the ones to ask.

That's a very fine build. You do realize with the window on the right side, the motherboard and all attached to it is upside down?
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  Quote Myrkul23 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jun 2020 at 5:15am
Thanks so much for the information. A couple questions:

1. When I choose the air stage 1 cooling I get a message that says ā€œ Please upgrade the cooling system to prevent thermal throttling. We recommend our Stage 2 Vortex liquid cooler with the dual fan design.ā€. Would it be a problem to use air if Iā€™m not going to over lock?

2. Is it a problem if the motherboard is upside down? The right side window actually works well with my setup since the eft side of of my tower is against the side of the desk. Otherwise is there another full tower case I could use?
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jun 2020 at 5:39am
DS has never been known to engage in hype or misdirection to upsell any product. IMHO, that warning is to be taken seriously. That is a brand new processor, and it may run very hot. If DS says not to run it on the air cooler they have here, I'd take it to the bank. Like I said, the all-in-ones are highly reliable. Sorry for my bad advice.

No prob at all with the mobo upside down, it doesn't affect a thing. We just don't want you to be surprised when your GPU is upside down.

Go to >"General Discussion" >"New Velox PC Does not Disappoint" and look at the last photo. That's what it looks like. It doesn't bother me in the slightest, and the orientation of your case is the best reason to get a Velox IMO.
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Thanks for the heads up about the Velox mounting the motherboard upside down... I agree with you, I don't think that will bother me.

Last question I have is about the processor. If there's not a significant improvement stepping up to the i9 from the i7 I probably would opt for the i7 and stick with air cooling. I'm looking for this PC to be future proof for a while, and I'm wondering if i7 to i9 is a meaningful upgrade.

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  Quote Bob100 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jun 2020 at 8:28am
Originally posted by Myrkul23

1. When I choose the air stage 1 cooling I get a message that says ā€œ Please upgrade the cooling system to prevent thermal throttling. We recommend our Stage 2 Vortex liquid cooler with the dual fan design.ā€. Would it be a problem to use air if Iā€™m not going to over lock?


When I configured my Lumos with air cooling, I did not get that message. As stated above, I have an i7-9700K, not overclocked.
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jun 2020 at 8:37am
The i7 10700K actually just edges out the former boss i9 9900K by 1%. So, no, not meaningful at all. If you're mostly gaming, you will wear out just about every other part in your rig before one of these killer CPUs starts to falter. You'd never benefit at all from two more cores.

If the cooler is indeed an unbranded Coolermaster 212 EVO, or even just the same design, it's gotten good reviews for years.
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I was referring to the choice between the 10700 and the 10900. From what I've been reading the 10900 has ridiculously high power consumption, so I think I'll stay away.

Cretae, thanks so much for all of your help. If it's not a bother, do you have an opinion regarding the 10700k vs. R3900x? It seems that the AMD processor is better "all around" but I'm wondering what your thoughts are.

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I know. My point is that until 3 weeks ago, the i9 9900K was the fastest gaming chip everyone was salivating over, and then night turned into day and the next gen i7 is faster! These processors are so overpowered for simple gaming, it's almost ridiculous. Game makers have to aim at the lowest common denominator, or they won't be able to sell enough games. The only reason they are specifying 4 core procs to play their latest is that they stopped making dual cores for desktops in higher speeds years ago. Games still typically only need the first two cores. The GPU does most of the heavy lifting, and they have broken into territory that makes a single card more powerful than two or three just 2 generations (of cards) ago. A non-super 2070 is a smidge faster than your 1080, and you know that was once the top card until the Ti appeared. You will have retired this build for the latest thing 6, 8 years from now, and they still won't be saying you have to have 8 cores, let alone 12.

IIRC, the 10700 and the 3900 cost around the same. Rule of thumb right up to today: Intel is always faster for gaming. The diff between a hot AMD CPU and an Intel is the diff between a Cadillac and a Corvette. For gaming, you want the 'vette. The 10700 turbos to 5.1 GHz, the 3900 gets to 4.6. Benchmarks say the i7 10700 is 12% faster. By the way, there is no air cooling option for the Ryzen 3900x here.

Hope it helps. It's a pleasure.

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  Quote Bob100 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jun 2020 at 5:20pm
In case you are wondering what that Stage 1 air cooler looks like in a Lumos case, here is a picture of mine.

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  Quote Myrkul23 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jun 2020 at 5:51pm
Thanks! That's helpful to see the air cooler in a case.

Thanks to all of your help I went ahead and pulled the trigger. The only thing making me slightly nervous is that I put in the build comments that this is without a GPU since I'll be moving my existing 1080 GPU to this build, but I didn't see that text appear anywhere in the order status. I was hoping they could leave the GPU power cables easily accessible. Hopefully they get that message!

Chassis Model: Digital Storm Velox
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7-10700K (5.1 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.8 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS / MSI MPG Z490 GAMING EDGE (Wi-Fi) (Intel Z490) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series
Power Supply: 850W Corsair / EVGA / Thermaltake (Modular) (80 Plus Gold)
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (512GB Samsung 970 PRO) (NVM Express)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: High-Performance Copper Heat Pipe Cooler
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
CPU Boost: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: - No Thanks
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, 6 Week Ship Estimate After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)
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I think they will have the power cables where you'd like, after all, they have to put in a GPU to see Win load properly and read test scans. But an e-mail for peacce of mind couldn't hurt.

You will be very happy, I think. BTW, when you decide it's time to upgrade from your 1080, the new equivalent to the 2070 will do all you want and more on that monitor. We're anticipating/hoping for similar price points.
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Does anyone who ordered recently have an idea of what the timing is for stage 1? I started stage 1 on June 8th and have not heard anything. I've e-mailed a couple times but haven't received a response.
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Supply has been a severe problem throughout the PC industry because of the virus. Stage 1 means you are standing in line, waiting behind others who have been backed up by these supply issues as well as adaptations and personnel issues at the factory caused by the pandemic. Most recent word here has been that many supply issues have resolved, and the various queues are moving again. It may well be that your build will start to advance fairly soon. Many are reporting going from Stage 1 to Stage 2, pausing a bit, and then advancing rapidly through several phases in two or three days. DS reports they are working weekends to resolve the backlog.

Best results seem to be e-mailing [email protected] the head of customer service. They set up an info "desk" at [email protected], but some have reported a rather boilerplate reply from that resource. I would try it, it may have been enhanced recently.
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  Quote Nav Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 2:18pm
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Does anyone who ordered recently have an idea of what the timing is for stage 1? I started stage 1 on June 8th and have not heard anything. I've e-mailed a couple times but haven't received a response.


Hey Myrkul 23, for your order on the Velox everything is in stock and the order should be moving soon.
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Hi Nav, thanks so much for the update! I didn't want to put any pressure, but after a couple weeks went by without an update I figured I would ask.
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