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    Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 7:38am
Dear Configuration Gurus,
I have returned (after some life happened this summer) to look for guidance on purchasing a new DS system. Your help would be greatly appreciated!

KKrusher

Budget:
Trying to stay close to $4000 but flexible

Expectations:
I want a system to last a long time. Current DS rig is 8 years old. Can do some upgrading in the future but my skill is not advanced.

Usage:
Gaming - currently on 1080p monitor but upgrading to 2K monitor at least
Photo and video editing, web design, image design (not intensive)

Special Needs:
Would like OS and games on fastest harddrive possible without breaking budget. Have over 500GB of games on current system without culling the herd. Current 125GB SSD and 1TB HDD are getting pretty full. Would like space for back-ups and system images onboard.
Not comfortable with liquid cooling. Would prefer Air. No interest in overclocking if not needed. But flexible. Would like my case fans maximized so suggestions there appreciated.

Saved Ticket #: 2130224

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Velox
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i9-9900K (5.0 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.6 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix Z390-H Gaming (Intel Z390 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 3000MHz Digital Storm Performance Series Power Supply: 850W Corsair RM850x (Fully Modular)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: External USB - Blu-Ray Writer & Player (Blu-Ray 6x) & DVD/CD Writer
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (512GB Samsung 970 PRO) (NVM Express) (Extreme Performance)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba)
Storage Set 3: 1x SSD M.2 (512GB Samsung 970 PRO) (NVM Express) (Extreme Performance)
RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 2080 8GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: High-Performance Copper Heat Pipe Cooler
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: CM Storm Devastator 3 Bundle (RGB) (Gaming Keyboard & Gaming Mouse)
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 15-20 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)
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  Quote Acetylide Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 2:12pm
Instead of getting 2x 512 Gb 970 Pro M.2 SSDs, I would get a single M.2 1TB Samsung 970 EVO unless there's a particular reason you need to have 2 separate smaller ones. If you were considering using one of them for backups, it might be a bit of a waste, depending on how frequently you need to make backups/system images, data size, etc. IMO, I would use the 1 TB SSD for both the OS and games and store the photos, videos, etc., on the mechanical drive. For backups/system images, I would use a portable drive that only needs to be connected to the system when they're being done. This way in the event that any kind of malware gets on your system, you have a separate backup to fall back on that isn't continually connected to your system and more prone to corruption. However, if you insist on having a dedicated drive on your system for backups in the absence of an external backup, I would only leave that particular drive "thawed"(when data can be modified on it) only when scheduled backups are being done.

I'm not a fan(no pun intended) of liquid cooling either, but for the i9, I wouldn't get anything below that(in price and performance) of a Digital Storm Vortex 120mm Liquid CPU Cooler in their configurator. They cool better than the air cooling options that are offered here, are fully sealed, and do not require maintenance(coolant change) like the custom water loop systems do. You don't need anything big or fancy since, as you said, you're not interested on OC'ing.

For the RTX 2080, that should be more than enough for 1440p resolution, but if you intend to use the raytracing feature in games that offer it, you probably won't be able to use high/ultra settings for that particular feature at this point in time. However, you should be able to run pretty much everything else on high/ultra settings.

$4048 for your current config.
$3900 if you replace the two 512GB Samsung 970 PROs with a single 1TB Samsung 970 EVO.
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  Quote KKrusher Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 7:21am
I went with the 2x512GB 970 Pro M.2 SSDs as they were slightly cheaper than 1 1TB 970 Pro M.2 SSDs. Not sure why that is the case. The 1TB 970 Evo M.2 SSD is cheaper than the pair but I thought the Pro has both better performance and warranty. I was thinking 1 M.2 SSD for OS and software, 1 M.2 SSD for games and HDD for pictures, vids, backups. I totally see you point on external for backups and images and could go that direction for sure.

I will look more into the liquid cooling. Still on the fence about that. I was thinking the RTX 2080 maxs out my gaming for the forceable future. I am okay with dialing back settings when needed as games improve.

I really appreciate the suggestions. Any more from the crowd?

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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 9:05am
The 970 EVO carries a 5 year warranty like the PRO. Although you are right about the performance difference, the fact is you would never notice it in use. The 970 PRO is technically not recommended by Samsung for general consumer use; that's what the EVO line is for. The 1TB 970 EVO is on a special for a substantial savings for you.

What I have found is that the 500GB I have on my 970 EVO is way more than I need, but if I only had 500GB for games, it wouldn't be enough! I have a 1TB Samsung SATA SSD for my games, and it's more than half full already. I also like the idea of being able to fit all my games and mods on the same drive. Personally, I really like the idea of a 1TB NVMe for primary drive. You can always partition it to keep the games separate from OS and apps. There are also other ways to combine two NVMe's for your needs at a reasonable cost.

You could also save a bit on the power supply, getting the 750W. It has about 200-250 W of overhead in reserve. The AIO coolers are safe, and have non-conductive coolant if disaster ever happens. Get one of the Corsairs and you'll have the "ever popular" 5 year warranty. I've never seen anyone report a leak.

The RTX 2080 will max you out at 1440p for the life of your rig most likely. What Acetylide was saying is that ray tracing capability is just coming on, and is not quite as powerful as it will likely be next gen. Even the 2080 Ti struggles with frame rates with ray tracing enabled at high settings. The okay news is that there is a mere handful of games that employ it (10 or so, most notably Battlefield V), and the enhancements from it are fleeting and often overlooked while you game. Not yet the "thing" you want to build around.

Hope it helps.
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  Quote KKrusher Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 8:13am
Thanks for all the input so far. This has been extremely helpful. So I put together a new configuration for people to review - please see below. I guess I still have some lingering questions.

1) The 1TB 970 EVO should be enough for my OS and software but it will be well used almost immediately. If I estimate my current game library and used software, on top of windows, I think I could easily take up 500-600GB that I would want on the SSD. Is this enough storage or should I plan on buying more down the road like a SATA SSD?
2) I have selected a Cosair liquid cooling system. Where does the radiator get mounted on the Velox case?
3) Are the fans maxed out in the Velox case or do I need to order more or different fans?

Thanks in advance,

KKrusher

Here is the new config:

Configuration Code: 2134125
Total Price with Instant Savings: $3,990.00

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Velox
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i9-9900K (5.0 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.6 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix Z390-H Gaming (Intel Z390 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 3000MHz Digital Storm Performance Series
Power Supply: 850W Corsair RM850x (Fully Modular)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: External USB - Blu-Ray Writer & Player (Blu-Ray 6x) & DVD/CD Writer
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Samsung 970 EVO) (NVM Express)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 2080 8GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H110i GT - 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: CM Storm Devastator 3 Bundle (RGB) (Gaming Keyboard & Gaming Mouse)
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 15-20 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 9:37am
That build looks good to me.  Strong
For storage I would think you have plenty but that is definitely a question only you can answer.

The rad will mount on the front.

The stock fans will get the job done.  If you want a potentially quieter and more adjustable option with adjustable RGB lighting, the Corsair ML Pro fans are great.  I have them in my Lumos and they are dead quiet, set to Quiet, cool great and the lighting looks good. But its another $200. 

Nor sure we mentioned it before, but the Velox has right side window and the Lumos a left facing window.   Not sure your desk setup has a preference.  

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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 10:15pm
Very good. If you "cull the herd" of games you've played, the 400 GB left on that NVMe will last you longer than you might think. Someday down the road, you pick up a SATA SSD when you need it. Game files aren't going to seem slow loading from a SATA drive if you need it for that.

The fan question is up to you. Upgraded fans aren't required, and I'm not sure what you'd get out of RGB colors when the radiator is right up front like bprat22 said.
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 1:56am
With the rad mounted up front, the RGB fans are still used, replacing the 3x stock fans and then the rad mounted on them.   The rad will have fans in push/pull configuration, the RGB outboard and the rad fans inboard.   That’s how it was done with my Lumos and might be the same for Velox.

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  Quote KKrusher Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 10:11am
Thanks everyone for the additional information. Actually my computer desk has the option of putting the PC on the right or the left! I can pick and choose. I like the Velox over the Lumos but could maybe go either way.
If the radiator is mounted in the front, do they use the stock fans to other fan locations to increase air flow (i.e. top)? Or am I thinking about this incorrectly?

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  Quote ThePinkGoat Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 10:16am
No need for 32GB of ram if you're playing games. You will never bust past needing 8GB of ram. Adding 16 GB of ram would be perfect.
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 1:16pm
Originally posted by ThePinkGoat

No need for 32GB of ram if you're playing games. You will never bust past needing 8GB of ram. Adding 16 GB of ram would be perfect.


True enough. But OP does photo and video editing, web design and image design, and he wants to be set well into the future. He'll make some good use of the extra RAM.
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  Quote KKrusher Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Today at 10:14am
It is funny on the subject of RAM. When I bought my first DS system 8 years ago, I got 6GB of RAM. People said that was probably overkill. I was told 2GB was fine and that I will never need much past 4GB for gaming. Well here we are 8 years later and I am very limited by 6GB in gaming and some of the applications that Cretae mentioned. Looking at most of the games I am looking forward to in 2019 they are estimating 8GB RAM minimum. RAM memory need does nothing but go up! So my thinking is buy it now and be set for the long haul.

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