High End gaming rigs a thing of the past?Post Date: 2009-03-24 |
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Bueno7095
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Topic: High End gaming rigs a thing of the past? Posted: 24 Mar 2009 at 4:14am |
So I was surfing IGN like I do everyday and I ran into this
http://pc.ign.com/articles/965/965535p2.html They state in this article they where able to play crysis on a mac book air with no problems. This thing looks amazing! tell me what you guys think! |
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EdH63
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Mar 2009 at 9:20am |
It's all reliant on your internet connection, just as the quality of streaming Netflix over your Blu-Ray player is reliant on internet connect and that service is a love it or hate it product. Actually, OnLive looks to be a bit more refined in the technology than a Netflix type service, but still has the same base process to get the information to you.
It's all part of our future, no doubt. Edited by EdH63 - 24 Mar 2009 at 9:21am |
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paraguy1
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Mar 2009 at 6:31pm |
Onlive will not make PCs a thing of the past right away. It will still be to one's advantage to have a nice PC when using onlive because the plug in is free for PC owners. Microsoft is allready set up for something like this. Its like the steam service. But if this works it sure will save me alot in upgrades.
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paraguy1
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Mar 2009 at 6:36pm |
I say 3 years from now all games will be streamed but you will still need a nice PC to run your entertainment center. The system I just bought from DS will probably be my last because of onlive and services like it. Oh well DS you should try and offer the same service. Onlive is a computer company with massive servers (cloud computing service). IT IS THE FUTURE DS you have the tech to do the same thing. So I would think about it if I owned a company like DS because this is where the gaming buisness is going and DS could be on the ground floor.
Edited by paraguy1 - 24 Mar 2009 at 6:45pm |
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Kryhavoc
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Mar 2009 at 8:08pm |
Personally, I don't like network access only. We have it at work and the system is slow and cumbersome (IMO) and I just don't like it.
I want to buy my game, put it on the computer and not have to worry about any other restrictions like only being able to install 3 times and so forth.
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Alex
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Mar 2009 at 9:03pm |
We will dig into Onlive, thanks!
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EdH63
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Mar 2009 at 11:01pm |
I agree with you, Bill. I wouldn't touch it unless I was forced to. |
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JamesAstro
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2009 at 1:14am |
It sounds like an excellent idea, and for some games it'll work great. However, for first person shooters like Crysis it will never come close to matching a high-end gaming rig. There are way too many problems that will get in the way:
1) Maybe lower resolutions will play well, but I doubt resolutions like 1920 x 1200, or 2560 x 1600 will stream very well. 2) Network lag will make fast-paced games very difficult to play. Just imagine you press a button, and 30ms later the server receives the command. It renders a new frame (on a server running several other games mostly likely), and then it sends you back a new frame of compressed video, which might take 30ms. That means you'll see something like 60ms of input lag. People already complain about input lag with certain LCD displays. This game service will just make it worse. 3) The quality of your games will depend on the reliability of your Internet connection in a big way. I don't know about you, but that sounds a big bowl of headaches. 4) The video will be highly compressed to fit within the bandwidth restrictions. That will work for some games, but any games with highly detailed graphics will look pretty crappy. Just imagine playing a RTS game with a lot of text on the screen. Don't get me wrong, I think this service could be huge, and quite fun. I'll probably be a customer one day. But no, it won't ever replace a high-end gaming rig. The guy with the gaming rig will mop the floor with any opponents playing from a streaming server. |
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Bueno7095
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2009 at 4:16am |
My biggest concern would be the price. Maybe it could be a good thing like you can rent a came for a week at a time and then either renew it or not for a cheap price. I have alot of games I have played for a week or two and never picked up again. Also if it is all online itsnt it cheaper to distribute thus plower the price a little?
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Bueno7095
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2009 at 4:20am |
Here is a followup article on the OP enjoy
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EdH63
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2009 at 7:25am |
I guess as with any type of technology like this there will always be first adopters (beta testers). So, I say wait for the beta testing and read the reviews. I won't be one.
Edited by EdH63 - 25 Mar 2009 at 7:25am |
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Sodius
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2009 at 10:48am |
It may or may not catch on we will have to see. I for one would never use it simply because I love hard copies of my software. Plus I often go back to old games and play. Age II comes to mind. I love networking with my family and I don't think this new tech will accommodate us. I like to collect games and display their boxes as do my kids. Sega channel did the same thing many years ago and although cool never really caught on here. I still buy DvD's even though netflix, video rental places, HBO, Showtime and others are available. The Dvr didn't replace buying the full package DVD nor will it. Bottom line I think many prefer hard copies to streaming and also many would prefer to pay fees to play. I really don't think the gaming community will wholely swing to streaming. That's my opinion and I am sticking to it.
If I have to pay to play than I want something to show for it. :) Edited by Sodius - 25 Mar 2009 at 10:50am |
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Rolet
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2009 at 11:35am |
I think this will flop. This idea is not new, I think it was in 2003 they had this idea. It was called the Phantom, it never took off.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2009 at 1:35pm |
same with cloud computing, as if I'm gonna store my stuff on ms's servers
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<8) slunK parade
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2009 at 6:41pm |
that looks really dumb
at least when you DL something off of steam the game doesnt depend on your int connection, as the files are physically on your computer (a downside to this retarded idea) |
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EdH63
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2009 at 8:12pm |
Exactly! |
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EdH63
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2009 at 8:14pm |
Again, exactly! |
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issues1975
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Quote Reply Posted: 25 Mar 2009 at 9:54pm |
Meh, I signed up for the BETA but I did so with a seriously skeptical eye. I just cannot imagine there being no input lag. How do they deal with heavy traffic? I also don't like the idea of buying a game I don't actually own. At least with something like Steam the game is physically on your HD. If for some reason they went under, I'm sure they could release access to what is on your system. With something like this, how do you recover the games if the company goes belly up? If they really do have a BETA and I get in I'll let you know what I think... |
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Bouke285
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Apr 2009 at 1:50pm |
The funny thing is that Blizzard used this technology months ago for their world of warcraft trial accounts. Streaming World of warcraft allows people trying the game to only need the client and the game streams perfectly.
Edited by Bouke285 - 17 Apr 2009 at 1:56pm |
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<8) slunK parade
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Apr 2009 at 6:27pm |
yea but thats for trial periods
so the traffic and demand wont be to high really |
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Hammer
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Apr 2009 at 1:06pm |
But this technology would be best turned in the extreme casual gamer's direction. Or people who have older computers and never spend more than a few hundred bucks on new ones.
WoW has been targeting these people for years and in my opinion, this Onlive thing will have limited abilities and probably the best games to play on it would be low-range graphically demanding games like WoW.
A technology like this could have some farther reaching possibilities too. Like playing WoW on a Sony Micro-Vaio: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=11040253
Or the recent explosion of mini laptops. These computers are decidedly NOT made for games at all...but Onlive might make it possible. Even the iPhone has decent computing power and it's not too far of a stretch to imagine that the iPhone's next generation might be able to pull off Onlive too.
In my opinion, Onlive looks like a really great mobile gaming solution. So if you're out and about, waiting 30-45 minutes for a seat at a restaurant, waiting for the bus, or just bored at work...pull out that micro-computer, slap on some WoW and farm some mats or maybe even do a few easy quests. The prospect interests me.
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