Hot temps within normal range?Post Date: 2011-10-07 |
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copen
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Topic: Hot temps within normal range? Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 12:35am |
Got the new ODE lvl 3 unpacked. Loving it.
However, my H80 corsair water cooler was missing the front plastic piece around the fan control button on the CPU mount itself. I called DS, and they'll send me a new one, so I'm guessing it's only cosmetic. ie. I can see a circuit board with bright white LED inside the H80, whereas I should see a shiny Corsair logo. So I decided to stress test a bit, and ran Prime95 & Furmark for 10 minutes: system did not melt down, cool. However, the CPU cores reached 93C in that time. The GPUs were at 88C/85C SLI. Are these temps within the expected range you guys see on your systems? BTW, DS overclocked my 2600k to 4.5ghz. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 1:03am |
what is your room temp?
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 1:10am |
Room temp is probably 72. But the ODE is heating it up nicely into at least the mid 70s.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 1:38am |
Your temps are too high for some reason, what is your vcore?
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 12:15pm |
OpenHWMonitor shows the Sabertooth P67 board reports the CPU VCore is 1.336 to 1.344V during Prime95.
From a cold boot this morning, if I run Prime95 on its own (10 min), the CPU temps max at a much more reasonable 77C. Adding Furmark in (10 min), and the GPU fans spin up to 62%. CPUs now max at 92C. GPUs are at 88C/85C SLI. Tons of warm air coming out of the back of the CPU cooler fan outside the case, so I think that's working. Same with the power supply fan and top case fan. Lots of ventilation around the case. Unfortunately, I don't have time to run longer tests, as I suspect the temps may keep rising. The fact that the CPUs are getting this hot after only 10 or so minutes of stress testing has me concerned. |
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RiceEatin2000GT
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 1:24pm |
gpu temps can be fixed by changing the profile using msi afterburner/evga precision to something closer to 1:1(fan speed to temp). You may need to level off the overclock/v-vore to something like 1.25v and 4.2ish ghz.
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 2:18pm |
Well here's the thing: I ordered this machine from DS so that I wouldn't have to debug & tweak voltage.
Either my H80 cooler's been damaged in transit, or perhaps DS didn't run Furmark + Prime95 before sending it out to me... |
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RiceEatin2000GT
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 2:51pm |
yea i completely agree. Im not 100% familiar with that cooler and what temps to expect from it. I would call digital storm and ask them about it. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 3:16pm |
Running those apps for 10 min don't mean anything, if you want to know what your pc can do you need to run those apps for much longer.
as rice said you can adjust your fans for the gpu, that is something we have to do ourselves cause our room temp is different then DS's. but your cpu temp is not acceptable, load max temp needs to be below 85c. |
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 4:26pm |
I did ask DS. They said they'd open a ticket and call me back.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 4:46pm |
Good cause that max cpu temps is too high.
keep us informed |
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Alex
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 7:30pm |
@copen,
I reviewed your order's testing reports and the average temperature on your CPU cores was 73'F with Prime95/LinX. With an extreme stress and maximum thermal condition, with FurMark and Prime95, your system had an average of 82'F on the cores. What are your temps during gaming and normal usage? I also sent you an email of the reports as well.
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RiceEatin2000GT
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 7:46pm |
i think alex means C.
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Alex
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 8:28pm |
yes.
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 9:16pm |
Played Battlefield: Bad Company 2 for about 15 minutes:
CPU max: 72C GPU max: 86C/79C SLI According to a tech @ DSO, the burn-in testing is performed with the cooler speed maxed (level 3). It was shipped to me on level 1, which is already plenty loud. So I suppose I'm getting high temps on the CPU b/c I don't have the H80 set high. Level 2 already sounds like a truck engine, and level 3 sounds like a jet engine, wow, no wonder DSO ships it at level 1. But anyway, just to give DSO's #s a grain of salt, they're taken with the fan blasted at a level most customers I think would consider way too loud. So I hope the above Battlefield temp #s above are normal, b/c I can't imagine running the H80 at anything but level 1 speed. I re-seated my video cards, so let's hope that fixes my Windows error that "your system is running too slow". |
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 12:19am |
Bah, I still get this error. Crysis Warhead, about 3 minutes of gameplay, and it forces me out of fullscreen to deal with this dialog:
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 12:43am |
Here's a hack around this issue: at least for games I know it fails on beforehand, I can mark those EXEs as "don't use Aero":
http://tr1x.com/how-to-disable-color-scheme-error-message.html |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 1:17am |
how many processes do you have running?
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 1:29am |
MSI Afterburner, task manager, Chrome, Crysis Warhead.
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Alex
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 2:00am |
@copen, I reviewed your response and I agree with you, I don't see why we would test a system with the cooler at it's level 3 speed and then slow it down later before we ship it to the customer, the thermals change. To be honest with you, I know we don't do that on a normal occasion. I'll have to look into this myself with the team. The H80 is a powerful cooler, it may be loud to certain customer's tastes, but, from my experience, it isn't an annoying loud and we hardly have anyone complain about their noise level from my experience. Running the cooler at slower speeds is fine as long as you're not doing heavy stress-testing or burn-in runs. I would say try using level 2.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 2:03am |
well chrome could be your problem, but what I was asking for is the number process running, which you find in task manager. |
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 2:11am |
Makes sense. I think as long as I don't run Prime95, I should be fine on CPU temps (ie. ~mid 80s max). And your perf docs show my GPUs ran 89C on Furmark, so I figure it's normal for my GPUs to hit 88-89C while playing games.
The whole impetus to even running the CPU/GPU temps were to debug the above referenced Windows dialog, "your system is running slow" -- it was kicking me out of games. Now that I know how to hack around that, I'm hopeful the ODE itself is fine. To be honest, the noisiest fan in my system is the power supply fan. Some whirring sound coming from there, and that's what's making me think the ODE is "loud". I put my ear to the other fans, and they're all pretty quiet (CPU cooler on level 1). I've got unboxing pics ready for my review, but will hold off on posting them until I get the proper H80 plastic cover from DS. Should get it next week some time. BTW, Alex, do you know how to make the POST go by faster? It's almost 30 seconds, and after POST, Windows is up in <5. I ditched the PXE oprom and set the AMI screen timer to 2 seconds, but there's still a good 15-20 seconds of black screen before even the AMI screen comes up. |
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 2:16am |
DST,
61 processes, 693 threads, 15022 handles. Here's a screenshot of the background processes while I typed this post. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 2:44am |
whats the deal with remote task manager?
give us a view of all those processes and have the memory they are using visible also. |
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 11:25am |
That's just a tool I wrote, similar to taskmgr, but customized for how I like it.
Here's a snapshot of the top processes sorted by CPU mhz used, after cold boot, having Steam & Chrome started up. |
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Alex
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 1:05pm |
I don't there is anyway to reduce the boot time after the optimizations you did.
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 2:05pm |
Alex,
I meant to say that the whole boot takes 30 seconds, of which only 5 is after POST. Therefore, POST (pre BIOS) is taking a good 25 seconds. Is there any configuration in the BIOS to reduce that? |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 3:50pm |
copen that screen shot is great but I need 2 things please.,
1. it get cut off at the bottom, I don't get to see all processes. 2. please sort them by name then post the screen shot. 3. also please use the pc as you would before you get windows telling you that you are short on resources, I need to see everything that is running on the pc when you get that error. Edited by DST4ME - 08 Oct 2011 at 3:51pm |
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 4:55pm |
DST,
No problem. It forces me to the desktop under crysis within 90 seconds, so here you go: |
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 5:08pm |
DST,
Here is a graphical representation of my system at that time as well. You can see that the GPU is quite loaded, but only perhaps 2 CPU cores are loaded. Plenty of RAM for the system left (half), but only 10% GPU memory left. Edit: I think the forcing to desktop happened where you see the blue GPU memory reached 100% (top of graph). So Windows must monitor the amount of GPU memory available, and when it's 0, it gives this message. Edited by copen - 08 Oct 2011 at 5:12pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 7:26pm |
You are getting that the pc performance is low, this means it has to do with system resources.
your first problem is chrome, your system is running extra 14 apps which all happen to be chrome, its a resource hug. try using a different browser like opera or ff, I have opera open with over 50 tabs and am using less resources then you are with chrome and 14 tabs. you have superfetch enabled or disabled? |
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 8:04pm |
Chrome opens a new process per tab, that's all. Makes it look like there are 14 chrome apps, but really there are 14 chrome threads, each with their own process. Makes it easier for them to recover from crashed tabs, b/c processes do not share memory (threads do).
How to check on superfetch? Wait, does that option even apply to my system, since my boot disk is an SSD? |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 8:30pm |
You are mistaken, your system is running 14 apps, each process is independent and listed independently cause just like an app, it takes up resources, it is for that reason why when one tab crashes they all don't, cause each is running as if its an app/process, with its own threads.
also as I mentioned you are using more resources with 14 tabs then I am with over 50 tab and chrome browsing capabilities do not come close to other browsers like opera. instead wasting your resources for a crappy browser like chrome why not get a good browse that does not crash to being with and uses much much less resources, I have over 50 tabs open all the time and I can't tell you the last time my opera crashed. that is one of many reason why chrome is a stupid browser, its inferior to others, uses the most resources and instead making a stable browser, they have put the burden on the users of the browser by talking up their resources. they don't share anything that is why they are independent.check out the pid for your processes you will see they have different pids. threads are not listed as processes. if you see a process that is an independent process taking up resources. superfetch is a part of your os and with ssd its best to disable it. look for its service and see if its running. Edited by DST4ME - 08 Oct 2011 at 9:02pm |
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copen
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 8:59pm |
I believe Windows7 knows if you have an SSD, and auto-enables trim, and auto-disables superfetch.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 8:59pm |
It should but it does not hurt to check. just fyi, if install was on hdd then you clone hdd to ssd, win7 won't change anything.
don't run chrome and game and tell me if win7 still gives you the resource error. Edited by DST4ME - 08 Oct 2011 at 9:00pm |
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