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  Quote McClutch Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: How is my build?
    Posted: 29 Nov 2019 at 11:02am
Budget:
~$3000

Expectations:
Reliable, consistent experience,

Usage:
VR, gaming, livestreaming

Special Needs:
N/A

Saved Ticket #: 2745753

Specifications:

Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lumos
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7-9700K (4.9 GHz Turbo) (8-Core) 3.6 GHz
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON AC (Wi-Fi) (Intel Z390 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices) <br><strong></strong>
System Memory: 16GB DDR4 3000MHz Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro (RGB Light Bar) <br><strong></strong>
Power Supply: 850W Corsair RM850x (Fully Modular) <br><strong></strong>
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (500GB Digital Storm M.2 Performance Series)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba / Hitachi)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce GTX 1660 6GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: HydroLux PRO: Exotic Custom Cooling System (CPU Only)
HydroLux Tubing Style: HardLine Tubing (Requires HydroLux PRO Custom Liquid Cooling System)
HydroLux Fluid Color: Green Fluid + Clear Tubing (Requires HydroLux Liquid Cooling System)
Cable Management: Exotic Cable Management - Green - (Cable Combs with Custom Color Sleeved Extension Cables)
Chassis Fans: Corsair LL Series (RGB Fans) (Software Controlled Effects)
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: Option Not Available
Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Boost Graphics Card(s): Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability <br><strong></strong>
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: - No Thanks
Mouse Pad: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)

Edited by McClutch - 29 Nov 2019 at 11:02am
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Nov 2019 at 12:28pm
Welcome to the forum McClutch!

Good processor, motherboard, and RAM choices.   I know how to make the build way stronger for gaming for about the same money.

One change keeps you close to your budget and gets enough results to do the job.   Drop to the Corsair H115i CPU Cooler.   That AIO cooler can handle a Stage 2 Overclock on the CPU.    That makes room to make the following improvements.....

*Change from HydroLux Pro CPU only to Corsair H115i 280 mm AIO Cooler.

*Overclock that excellent and easy OC’ing Intel i7-9700K processor to Stage 2 for the full performance its been built by Intel to produce.

*Change Drive 1 from the SATA III DS 500 GB SSD to the 5X faster 500GB Samsung Evo 970 Plus M.2 NVME SSD.   M.2 NVME SSD use the faster PCIE video bus, and your mobo has a spare M.2 slot to use when you need it.

* Upgrade from NVidia GTX 1660 to NVidia RTX 2070 Super GPU.    The best all around midrange performance GPU, for strong 1080P and very good 2K/1440P performance at high game settings.

*we do not recommend Overclocking GPU on air cooling alone.   Not enough gain to be had...for more heat and risk to the GPU. Not worth it.

Lumos build2: Config # 2746104. $3,055 - DS Sale $300 Off = $2,755 Total

See what you think... but this build would far out perform your Config ...If you can afford to stick with HydroLux or HydroLux on both CPU + GPU then obviously that’s even better for top performance...

Edited by HockeyBuck - 29 Nov 2019 at 12:30pm
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  Quote McClutch Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Dec 2019 at 5:13pm
HockeyBuck,

I appreciate the feedback, I was wondering if you could take a look at some changes I made. If I raised the budget to closer to $4000 I came up with the following build. I was wondering how significant of an improvement it would be over the previous build. I’m also not sure if it will make a difference, but my buddy is going to give me another set of the Corsair vengeance RAM so I would have 32GB.

Specs:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lumos
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7-9700K (4.9 GHz Turbo) (8-Core) 3.6 GHz
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON AC (Wi-Fi) (Intel Z390 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 16GB DDR4 3000MHz Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro (RGB Light Bar)
Power Supply: 850W Corsair RM850x (Fully Modular)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (512GB Samsung 970 PRO) (NVM Express) (Extreme Performance) <br><strong></strong>
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba / Hitachi)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 2x SLI NVLink Dual (GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB (VR Ready) <br><strong></strong>
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: HydroLux PRO: Exotic Custom Cooling System (CPU Only)
HydroLux Tubing Style: HardLine Tubing (Requires HydroLux PRO Custom Liquid Cooling System)
HydroLux Fluid Color: Green Fluid + Clear Tubing (Requires HydroLux Liquid Cooling System)
Cable Management: Exotic Cable Management - Green - (Cable Combs with Custom Color Sleeved Extension Cables)
Chassis Fans: Corsair LL Series (RGB Fans) (Software Controlled Effects)
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Airflow Control: Corsair Commander PRO Management Control Board & Software (1x Board) <br><strong></strong>
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: Option Not Available
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.7GHz on All CPU Cores <br><strong></strong>
Boost Graphics Card(s): Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: - No Thanks
Mouse Pad: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Dec 2019 at 11:47pm
Glad to lend a hand.

OK... Adding 16 GB RAM later is an easy to do yourself upgrade...but pay attention to the RAM timing numbers as the DDR4 Corsair Vengeance RAM you add later from your buddy should match timing numbers of the DDR4 Corsair Vengeance 3000 mHZ DIMMS DS supplies you with in the build. Can't just slap in any old RAM...

OK I see you made the Drive 1 upgrade to NVME...now you are speedy.

I see you raised the budget so you could keep HydroLux Pro CPU cooling, but you spent +$167 for hard line tubing that admittedly does look cool. Flex tubing is less expensive, will survive shipping better (when we hear of leaks here it's usually inflexible hard line that moved in shipping bounces), and is infinitely easier to work around for maintenance, to work with or to replace yourself. Either way you decide to go, ask for quick disconnects, a drain valve, and spare coolant matching that which DS uses.

GPU...You would in my opinion be better off investing in 1x RTX 2080 Ti.   Plenty of max gaming performance and a more simple solution. For one benefit, the Ti has more active GPU cores and 11 GB VRAM to utilize....while the 2X SLI/NVLink RTX 2070 Super still can only use 8 GB VRAM.   Another issue is less heat in the case on one air cooled GPU than with 2x..   Be aware that not all games will support SLI/NVLink or scale video properly when using it.   SLI/NVLink is distinctly less popular now in the landscape of gaming than it once was 5 yrs ago, and game developers supporting it now might not continue to do so in the future.   That means your big investment in 2x GPU is a risky one that may not always be useful to you.

All that said, in bench testing 2x SLI/NVLink RTX 2070 Super can perform very strong in the right activity or game.   Long as you hear and understand the arguments, if you still want 2x 2070 Super then drive on. Could help in some gaming using 4K panels.

PSU...with 2x SLI 2070 Super, you will now be using 430 watts just for the GPU's, so to maintain plenty of power headroom I suggest you boost the PSU in that case to the DS 1000 watt Gold Modular PSU (only 1 yr DS warranty) or the far better 1200 watt Corsair AX1200i Modular Digital Platinum Efficiency PSU with a whopping 15 yr Corsair warranty.

As I mentioned before, with plenty of cooling selected I suggest you should take full advantage of the $99 Stage 2 Overclocking on the I7-9700K. HydroLux Pro will keep the CPU frosty, while you would get max CPU performance in everything you do.

We do not recommend Overclocking the GPU's on air cooling alone.
Not enough gain to be had for more heat & GPU stress...especially with 2x GPU on air cooling alone.

You won't need the Corsair Air Management Pro board. Your Corsair LL Fan upgrade includes 1x Corsair Fan Expert Pro board that will do the job of connecting, controlling and syncing your on board Corsair RGB Fans & components, allowing you to manage all RGB & Fans with the Corsair iCUE software.



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  Quote McClutch Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 5:08am
Thanks for the feedback again!

The part numbers for the RAM are identical so they will be fine.

I swapped to the colored flex tubing with clear liquid, I wasn't aware I could get quick disconnects with the flexible option which was my main concern, but maybe I just missed that. I also heard of concerns with the colored fluid requiring more maintenance.

I switched to the single RTX 2080 Ti, I'm hoping the extra money put into the GPU will end up being a worthwhile investment. From what I can tell, the 850W power supply should then be sufficient?

Dropped the unnecessary air management and stepped up to stage 2. Probably going to be pulling the trigger on it after work today.
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  Quote jcmcn5 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 7:40am
HB,

Do you mind if I ask you the same question?  I bought a DS back in 2012, and it's served me very well.  Original custom config is still good but as I have more time on my hands theses days, I'm  thinking of upgrading.  Many thanks in advance

System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS Assassin Edition
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth P67 (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 800W Corsair GS (Dual SLI Compatible)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Force GT Series CSSD-F120GBGT-BK) (SATA 6Gbps)
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (500GB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (Model: Blue Edition)
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card(s): 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Tech) (EVGA Edition)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Corsair A70 Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler
H20 Tube Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
CPU Boost: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Memory Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty
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I know I asked the forum this question once before, but that was 3 years ago.  At that time, the MSI GTX top of the line card was the 980.  Now I see they're up to like 2060 and the prices have dropped.  So I'm not sure what's the current route to go.
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 11:04am
Originally posted by McClutch

Thanks for the feedback again!

The part numbers for the RAM are identical so they will be fine.

I swapped to the colored flex tubing with clear liquid, I wasn't aware I could get quick disconnects with the flexible option which was my main concern, but maybe I just missed that. I also heard of concerns with the colored fluid requiring more maintenance.

I switched to the single RTX 2080 Ti, I'm hoping the extra money put into the GPU will end up being a worthwhile investment. From what I can tell, the 850W power supply should then be sufficient?

Dropped the unnecessary air management and stepped up to stage 2. Probably going to be pulling the trigger on it after work today.


Yup the 850W PSU will do the job.   The most practical coolant is clear, as you can easily see and judge how clean the coolant is.   Color is fun and green is my fav...lol.   I think you would be fine using color coolant from DS.   Ask for extra coolant to use for top offs.    You will have to ask DS Sales about cost for quick disconnects but DS can do them.   

Lots of us that used to use SLI have gone single GPU these days and it’s good!   They make GPUs so much stronger now one is all ya need to fly all Ultra game settings.    Going to be a beast of a rig for you!   Keep us posted!


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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 11:29am
Sure...I have a 2011 DS Ode with the same CPU and motherboard.    

1) If you haven’t already upgraded to Windows 10...you should get that done first.

2) Upgrade your DDR3 RAM to at least 16 GB. Match what you have now if ya can
     find it.   RAM is an easy upgrade, but match your RAM timing numbers.

3) Pop in one new NVidia RTX 2070 Super, RTX 2080 Super 8 GB VRAM and
     the rig should still perform quite well.   Mine has a 2 yr old GTX 1080 Ti in it and
     games very well...but my Mrs uses it now.   I prefer the high quality of EVGA
     branded video cards.   Their EVGA RTX 2080 Super FTW3 Ultra has a huge
     heatsink and 3 fan cooler that works well...   
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Originally posted by jcmcn5

I know I asked the forum this question once before, but that was 3 years ago.  At that time, the MSI GTX top of the line card was the 980.  Now I see they're up to like 2060 and the prices have dropped.  So I'm not sure what's the current route to go.



Sure...I have a 2011 DS Ode with the same CPU and motherboard.     

1) If you haven’t already upgraded to Windows 10...you should get that done first.

2) Upgrade your DDR3 RAM to at least 16 GB. Match what you have now if ya can
     find it.   RAM is an easy upgrade, but match your RAM timing numbers.

3) Pop in one new NVidia RTX 2070 Super, RTX 2080 Super 8 GB VRAM and
     the rig should still perform quite well.   Mine has a 2 yr old GTX 1080 Ti in it and
     games very well...but my Mrs uses it now.   I prefer the high quality of EVGA
     branded video cards.   Their EVGA RTX 2080 Super FTW3 Ultra has a huge
     heatsink and 3 fan cooler that works well...   
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Thanks very much.  Just so I'm clear -- are you suggesting I put 2 new cards is, the RTX 2070 and an RTX 2080?  Or are you suggesting one or the other?
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Just one video card.    One of those solid GPU will fly circles around your old 2x SLI GTX 570 setup.    My 2011 Ode was originally configured that way.    The Sabertooth mobos are built to last!    It currently uses a single EVGA GTX 1080 Ti FTW2 and everything runs on Ultra settings.   
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Hope you don't mind a follow-up.  At the moment, a $560 card is a bit steep.  Was wondering if you knew if an EVGA DeForce GTX 1660 Ti SC ultra Gaming, 06G-P$-1667 6GB dual fan is going to be compatible with my system.  I've read reviews from some complaining about the size.   $350 is my budget at the moment

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Originally posted by jcmcn5

Hope you don't mind a follow-up.  At the moment, a $560 card is a bit steep.  Was wondering if you knew if an EVGA DeForce GTX 1660 Ti SC ultra Gaming, 06G-P$-1667 6GB dual fan is going to be compatible with my system.  I've read reviews from some complaining about the size.   $350 is my budget at the moment



Yes it should fit, but you should confirm from the card specs.....

Height: 4.38 in - 111.15 mm
Length: 10.55 in - 267.97 mm
Width: Dual Slot

I just checked around and the EVGA RTX 2060 Super XC Ultra Gaming 6 GB VRAM 2 fan model can be had for $389 (amazon, Newegg, others) and would be a much stronger choice than the GTX 1660 Ti.... RTX features and more GPU cores.. Believe currently there’s a mail in $20 rebate deal from EVGA... Card size is the same as above.    Get the very best GPU performance you can afford and you are likely to be happy for longer...
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Thanks very much for the help.  
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