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    Posted: 22 Jul 2008 at 7:34am
After reading several reviews and user rants and raves, (which is almost ALWAYS 99% positive) there has been one notion that has come up several times... oc'ing.
 
While I'm definately going with DSO (once those pennies add up), I've read several users "not 100% satisfied" with their overclock.  I am fully aware it's a crapshoot and should not have pipedream expectations, however, are there any over-arching themes here? (45 bucks is 45 bucks...or more)
 
I do research like it's my job...which is sort of is...so I am guessing by taking baby steps I could learn to do it. (I just don't like rooting around in bios)
 
Can someone convice me or dissuade me towards overclocking and stage 3?
 
also,  should I oc the CPU, RAM, or Video Cards or a combo? (probably ASUS mobo and ATI cards and ddr3 ram).
 
one more thing, I know DSO customer support is like the pinnicale of good business, but that aside. I'm hoping to not have the need to do it, I i do suppose things happen.
 
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In an word, yes.  OC is a *major* crapshoot.  It all depends on how well the chip was made in the first place... whether there was any contaminants in the die when they built it... whether they put too much flux when they put it together... whether they crimped a lead when they packaged it...  And that's just the start of the things that can go wrong with a chip.
 
So, even if everything looks good for the first 72 hours.  That 73rd hour may blow it's poor brains out.  You just never know.
 
But with DSO's new QA procedures, they should hopefully catch most of those.
 
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hot-cha-cha cha-cha
 
thanks guys...
 
now, whats the best oc combo to oc
 
CPU+RAM
Video+ram
all of the above
 
i'm gonna go with the quad 2.66 and the asus ddr3
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The best value for the dollar is the CPU OC only. You do not need the RAM further tightened up, you can easily overclock a video card with software yourself.
 
IMO, a CPU represents an opportunity for huge gains when overclocked. Overclocking a GPU is an incremental improvement at best. At worst, there is no change in performance (depending on the application and drivers) in exchange for more heat and power consumption.
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But dosent OC'ing just put a strain on the piece that was OC'd? Some cpu's can run over 1k and gpu's around half that. Why put so much stress on something you need to have  for your system to work?  Wouldnt it be better to just save a little more and just buy a more powerful CPU/GPU? I bought a 3.0 Ghz cpu ( $1,100 +/- I looked around ) Why Oc it too what 3.5 - 3.8, then spend more money on a better cooling system and possibly a power supply and then  pray to the gods it will last through all the games, videos and PORN without damage. Thats if there are no problems to begin with! Well such are the perks in life I guess,  you can really ask the same ? about putting nitro in cars too.

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The whole purpose of the 1K+ chips is overclocking and stressing them, thats what they exist for.
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Posts: 98 		  Quote BIGdumbANIMAL Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2008 at 6:42pm
Sorry but I completely disagree. the purpose of the chip/chips/chipz is to be the brains of your system. Yes, It is your option to overstress them. That would be like say a VW rabbit was built for power and speed, All you need is a fuel injector, good muffler and tires. Saying thats what they exist for is someone who just wants more then what they have and feel they need to defend their actions. Nothing needs to be overstressed. thats why they make newer ones bigger, better and faster. If you want to modify and tweek till your harts content enjoy and have fun. Just be sure your not the one whos OC'd in the end. 
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I think your understanding of overclocking may be somewhat limited Big. There is zero need to "overstress" a CPU in order to achieve better than rated performance. In essesnse, the manufacturer "overclocks" their high end chips at the factory and charges you a premium for it.
 
It is possible to achieve a performance boost by altering the CPU's clock speed without exceeding what the manufacturer considers safe in terms of power consumption, and heat. This puts very little additional stress on the CPU, in fact, if you are using a decent aftermarket cooling solution, you may be stressing the CPU *less* than if you were running at default speeds with the standard OEM heatsink provided with the CPU.
 
I will also say that yes, the $1000 extreme series CPU's were absolutely released by Intel with overclocking in mind. It is why they have an unlocked multiplier. Nothing says you "must" overclock, but running an extreme series CPU at stock speeds is like purchasing a Bugatti Veyron Fbg par Hermès for trips to the local supermarket to haul groceries. If you did, it's your car, and your busines what you do with it, but it really is not what the builder envisioned as the intended use.
 
Pushing chips to their absolute limits is not neccesary in order to benefit from a speed increase, and if it were my $1000 on the line, you can bet it would be operated exactly as my $200 chip is.... at increased, but conservative settings.


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The whole reason why the "Extreme" series (Intel CPUs that cost over $999) exist is to be overclocked. They would not have an unlocked multiplier if it wasn't intended for overclocking.
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Posts: 98 		  Quote BIGdumbANIMAL Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jul 2008 at 5:01am
LOL I understand the idea just fine, All Im saying is it is a option to do so, But be cautious. Some people have had problems after doing it but any problem that derives im quite confident DS will be able to fix it. If it was a bad thing to do I'm sure DS wouldn't offer the overclockimg on any hardware they install. They even offer over the phone help if  you would like to do it at home. All Im saying is in MY opinion its not needed. I'll tell ya what, save some money and buy a 3.5 cpu and OC it too 4.2 then you will be da man in my book
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Well, one thing that you may or may not hear from Intel and other chip manufacturers... but I did from an ex employee.  The CPU ratings that they give out for any chip series is based off a bell curve.  When building a chip series, they run it through its paces.  They figure out how fast they think they can go then do it for thousands.  They take all the results, put it on a bell curve and say X% of the lot of chips as they come out will run a Y speed.
 
Which means that some chips, as they come out, can EASILY run faster than what they their standard setting without putting any stress at all on the chip what-so-ever.  Some do good to run at the speed they say it will.  Those that can't, if they catch them, get tossed in the bin. 
 
In fact, some of the original "speed improvements" from the original Pentium and beyond was nothing more than better quaility control in their manufacturing process where the bell curve got skewed forward to where they can send them out at higher speeds.  And, of course, they charge you for it as though they did something magical.  LOL
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