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    Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 1:00pm
My new DS i7-980X system arrived yesterday. I have the HAF932 case and Stage 4 cooling. CPU-Z and Real Temp GT say that I am running at 4.222 GHZ. I am hoping for more since when running my apps at 100%, cores temps are only mid/upper 50's !!
 
I checked BIOS and the multiplier is set for 23 and clock at 184. I'll post complete settings when I get home.
 
I have seen various methods of overclocking i7-980X's since the multiplier is unlocked. Some guys have let BCLK at 133 and just raised the multiplier up to 33 or so. Others have left the multiplier alone and raised BCLK whereas some have adjusted or raised both. Comments on which method is best to achieve the highest possible stability while not being too hot.
 
Help appreciated since I think there's some real room to go higher due to my low temps.
 
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what RAM do you have?
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Originally posted by justin.kerr

what RAM do you have?
 
Sorry I should have known to mention this in my initial post.
 
6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series 
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that makes no sense? post a CPUz screen shot, mem tab.
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Originally posted by justin.kerr

that makes no sense? post a CPUz screen shot, mem tab.
 
OK that is going to have to wait a few hours til I get home. Anyhow, my RAM is the usual 1600 Mhz stuff that DS currently specs for Black Ops.
 
You're asking for my memory settings ?
 
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@neilkaz,
 
Honestly a 4.4GHz is perfect! I know the load temps don't seem so high and by seeing that, you may think you can overclock your processor higher, but, that really isn't the case.
 
Adding additional voltage to your CPU to compensate for the low temps will kill your processor over time.
 
Also, going from 4.4GHz to even 4.6GHz is only a 1.04% increase. You'll increase your stability and issues risk by over 200% by doing that.
 
In the end, is it really worth it? If it is to you, then by all means go for it. However, you'll run into stability risks and even defective hardware which you'll have down-time with, etc...
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Originally posted by Alex

@neilkaz,
 
Honestly a 4.4GHz is perfect! I know the load temps don't seem so high and by seeing that, you may think you can overclock your processor higher, but, that really isn't the case.
 
Adding additional voltage to your CPU to compensate for the low temps will kill your processor over time.
 
Also, going from 4.4GHz to even 4.6GHz is only a 1.04% increase. You'll increase your stability and issues risk by over 200% by doing that.
 
In the end, is it really worth it? If it is to you, then by all means go for it. However, you'll run into stability risks and even defective hardware which you'll have down-time with, etc...
 
Alex I understand what you're saying, but this didn't come 4.4Ghz only 4.22Ghz so I want to see if I can safely get more out of it. I'll heed your warning and not go much past 4.4Ghz unless I don't have to raise voltages much. A $1K+ processor is not something I plan on killing.
 
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Everything Alex said is correct.

however if justin has the time then I'm sure he can get you a higher oc and stable, that is if your pc can do it.

Now as Alex mentioned, going from 4.2 to 4.4 is not gonna make much of a difference, you need to go 4.6 or higher, and that is the part where we are not sure how its gonna be or if your system can do it.

post a screen shot of cpuz of the cpu/memory/spd tabs for justin, that will give him all the info he needs.

then he is gonna ask you for your bios settings.

Edited by DST4ME - 14 Apr 2010 at 2:58pm

Nvidia Drivers----AMD Drivers
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first lets look at the bigger issue. lol then we can talk about the advantages/disadvantages over raising the overclock. Ouch
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@neilkaz,
 
Oops! I thought it was at 4.4GHz.
 
I'm sure further fine tuning and additional voltage should be able to hit 4.4GHz. Feel free to contact us directly and we'll open a support ticket and have one of our senior techs look at our successful overclock database and provide you with some settings to try.
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Originally posted by Alex

@neilkaz,
 
Oops! I thought it was at 4.4GHz.
 
I'm sure further fine tuning and additional voltage should be able to hit 4.4GHz. Feel free to contact us directly and we'll open a support ticket and have one of our senior techs look at our successful overclock database and provide you with some settings to try.
 
Thx Alex.. this is what I call service and I certainly will do so since I was under the impression from your press release that I could expect 4.4 Ghz and noting I have some serious cooling with stage 4, I'd hoped for such. I do note how nice and cool things are even when running my number crunching apps full out.
 
Justin..I'll be home in about 2.5 hours and will then post CPU-Z info and my BIOS settings.  ty all .. neilkaz ..
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lol now just need that CPUz screen shot with the mem tab. Ouch
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LOL I thought I checked that all 3 screen shots were uploaded.
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I wonder why your RAM is so slow, and has ridiculous timings? With the 980x I see no reason for RAM to be run under speed, or to loosen up the timings?
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Originally posted by justin.kerr

I wonder why your RAM is so slow, and has ridiculous timings? With the 980x I see no reason for RAM to be run under speed, or to loosen up the timings?
I thought this looked slow compared to O/C's I've seen but this is the way it came from DS. I just unpacked last night and had not messed with BIOS settings.
 
Awaiting your advice .. neilkaz ..
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@neilkaz,

Interesting. Justin.kerr is right, I created a support ticket to have one of our senior techs help you re-overclock your system. (You'll get an email about this shortly).

They'll be in touch with you most likely tomorrow since it's close to closing today.

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Thx Alex...I do realize it is 4:30 in Calif but if any of your senior techs are still around and want to email me better BIOS settings to try, I'll input them right away and report back.
 
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They are here but are taking care of any customers that needed help earlier in the day.

I can't email it because some of the settings are difficult to describe via email and also I don't have any place where we can copy and paste them to you since this is a new processor.

We'll be in touch with you soon and we'll help you out.
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getting the RAM up to speed and the timings set to at least rated spec, will have an overall performance boost greater than bumping up the overclock  a little bit. Ouch
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Originally posted by justin.kerr

getting the RAM up to speed and the timings set to at least rated spec, will have an overall performance boost greater than bumping up the overclock  a little bit. Ouch
Thx Justin..if you have any suggested changes I am ready to try them. .. neilkaz ..
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better let DS get the RAM up to speed and the timings set. I have very little experience with the 980x's at the moment. Star
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Originally posted by justin.kerr

better let DS get the RAM up to speed and the timings set. I have very little experience with the 980x's at the moment. Star
OK I can wait til tomorrow ..Wink. I'm home by 3 pm Calif time so hopefully DS is ready with new settings by then. I also know how to run the basic tests, LinX Prime95 etc if they need me to.
 
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so justin when you get a 980 to 5GHz with HT on... will it be the smashed Gorilla?
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still be drunken monkey, lol
I was waiting for the next stepping, because with  this stepping I will not be able to meet my goal.... but there was an open box 980x for dirt cheap early this morning, so I nabbed it, and will try it out...SmileDead
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If you set bclock to 134, multi to 33x, cpu vcore 1.4000v (might need more, might need less, you will have to run linx/prime95 to know for sure), cpu vtt +50mv to +100mv, you should get 4.4 stable.  Also set dimm voltage to 1.65v

For the memory, select the 2:12 divider (1600mhz), and set the first 4 timing settings to 9 9 9 24 and the command rate to 2t.



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Originally posted by venom

If you set bclock to 134, multi to 33x, cpu vcore 1.4000v (might need more, might need less, you will have to run linx/prime95 to know for sure), cpu vtt +50mv to +100mv, you should get 4.4 stable.  Also set dimm voltage to 1.65v

For the memory, select the 2:12 divider (1600mhz), and set the first 4 timing settings to 9 9 9 24 and the command rate to 2t.

OK I did all this and also have tried with v-core at 1.425 and even 1.45 and everytime it boots up it just goes into default mode at about 3.33 GHz. Per CPU-Z and Real Temp GT it isn't booting to the multi set to 33, but to default at 25.
 
I think I need to change some other voltages? Please advise. All CPU vtt was set to +100 mV. I also tried with Vdroop off and same. It won't boot to a multi of 33, but instead boots to 25.
 
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I would suggest posting all BIOS settings, in a template.
When you changed the RAM divider to 12, your uncore may have auto selected correctly, maybe not... too many other variables, IMHO. also 133 B clock can work, but it will be slightly slower than an overclock using a higher B clock. I also don't know if the 12 divider has any issues with the BIOS you are using, assuming it is 51?
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I don't get home 'til 3pm PDT so I can't post any settings 'til then.
 
Hopefully DS has contacted me with more detailed settings by then and we can work from there if need be.
 
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Originally posted by Alex

They are here but are taking care of any customers that needed help earlier in the day.

I can't email it because some of the settings are difficult to describe via email and also I don't have any place where we can copy and paste them to you since this is a new processor.

We'll be in touch with you soon and we'll help you out.
 
Hopefully you can send me a few of your sucessful OC settings to try and as a baseline.
 
Please email me or post here, either is by far the best way to communicate with me.
 
Awaiting DS's input today .. neilkaz ..
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@neilkaz,
 
We don't have any to email you like this, the best way to do it is to be on the phone with one of our techs so we can walk you through it.
 
However, Steve, one of our senior techs (@Venom) did provide you with some settings last night.
 
If you can provide a template of what settings you have (I've seen people use it on our forums but I don't know here to find it (maybe @justin.kerr) can help with that). Then maybe (@Venom) can help you out on the forums and even @justin.kerr
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Thx DS and Justin.. I set uncore to 24 like it should be for 2:12 divider (1600mhz), and things seem stable on 1.425 V core.  I also raised vtt to +150mv as part
as part of my stability testing and V core adjustment from 1.4 to 1.45V, getting some blue screens from prime95 along the way. V droop I turned off.Yes I realize I will need to run prime95 overnight or longer once all settting are set in stone.
 
I left QPI Freq the way DS had it on auto...should I change it to 4.8 or 6.4?
 
I also see some overclockers run command rate at 1T rather than 2T when using only 6 GB could I change to 1T?
 
Some people raise VTT and PWM freq but I left mine on the lower values DS had them.
 
I'm also trying an OC with a higher clock and 27 x 167 is giving me 4.5 Ghz and that also seems stable, but needed 1.4375 V core and it was a bit hotter. I will try it again with one click less since I'd like to drop temps a bit since it was as hot as I want to run things, noting we haven't turned on the A/C yet here and ambient is 26C (normally 20-21C)
 
I'll find that template tomorrow and post what ever settings I end up with using 27 x 167 (note I lowered) Memory freq to 1333 2:10 since the higher clock speed will raise it back up.
 
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QPI 4.8 for sure
you have a 10: multi on the RAM. so your RAM is at 1340 Mhz.
PWM leave alone
VTT you should not need much at all.. low B clock and low RAM speeds= low VTT
Command rate, I allways try for 1T, but I also set all my RAM timings manually..
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Originally posted by justin.kerr

QPI 4.8 for sure
you have a 10: multi on the RAM. so your RAM is at 1340 Mhz.
PWM leave alone
VTT you should not need much at all.. low B clock and low RAM speeds= low VTT
Command rate, I allways try for 1T, but I also set all my RAM timings manually..
Hmmm I was wondering Cry why CPU-Z said 2:10 when for sure for sure I had RAM set and saved (checked several times) in BIOS to 1600 2:12?
 
My 4.5 Ghz (27 x 167) seems to be running OK but I'll go back and lower vtt to +.100 and set QPI 4.8 and try more.
 
Unfortunately I have a big day at work Sleepy tomorrow so I can't stay up half the night tweaking but will find a template and post my BIOS settings to see what ideas you have to tweak it for an even better performance/cooling ratio,
 
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so you are running 167 B clock, and 10: multi?  if so that is a lot better overclock
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