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    Posted: 16 Sep 2009 at 1:40pm
I ordered the i7 extreme 1 and I was just wondering how easy it would be to put 6gb of RAM in at some point. Will I need to also update the power supply or anything like that?

Processor: Intel Core i7 920
Memory: 3GB DDR3 1333MHz
Motherboard: Intel X58 Chipset
Graphics: NVIDIA GTX 275
Power Supply: Silent 700W
Storage: 500GB 7200RPM
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you just add 3 more 1GB sticks of ram, its real easy, and has nothing to do with your psu.

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If it is overclocked you will most likely run into issues.
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if he loses his oc or it does not work, he just calls you guys and you guys re oc it for him over the phone, no biggie.

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Thanks for replying guys! I'm really excited about getting the computer!

Ok, so really the only issue is the overclocking. Well that's great. I don't plan on putting the extra RAM in there anytime real soon but, Digital Storm really would help me overclock again even after putting some new components in?
 
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way better off buying 3 sticks of 2 gb, I think Venom was referring to potential problems that is common when OCing with all six slots filled.
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Alright, so if I just replace the 1gig ram with 2gig I shouldn't have issues with the overclocking? As long as I don't fill up every RAM slot? Sorry, I am really quite new to the ins and outs of PCs. Ying%20Yang
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If they are rated the same as the old ones, I doubt you will have any trouble.
Even with all six slots filled, if the OC is mild, it should not cause problems, it just raises the likelihood of OC problems.
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don't waste your money like that, just get 3 more sticks and if your oc gives you trouble then call DS and have them re oc your system, if you don't mind the loss of money, then 2GB would be best but not necessary.

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If it is 1600 Mhz mem, the cost to go with 3 x 2 instead of 3 x 1 is less than $5.00... come on, less than $5.00.....With 6 sticks you have a %100 greater chance of ram failure, put higher stress on the IMC, increase latancy for poorer memory performance... come on you tight wad DST buck up the $5.00 for a faster, more reliable, more stable machine. Big%20smile
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I don't know what ram you are pricing but mushkin which is what he has, has a good $50 difference between 3GB and 6GB

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or you could just get your system, and use it for a week to see how it works for you before you even think about dishing any more money out on RAM
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Originally posted by <8) slunK parade

or you could just get your system, and use it for a week to see how it works for you before you even think about dishing any more money out on RAM


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Originally posted by justin.kerr

If it is 1600 Mhz mem, the cost to go with 3 x 2 instead of 3 x 1 is less than $5.00... come on, less than $5.00.....With 6 sticks you have a %100 greater chance of ram failure, put higher stress on the IMC, increase latancy for poorer memory performance... come on you tight wad DST buck up the $5.00 for a faster, more reliable, more stable machine. Big%20smile


Agreed... Once the IMC is dead/flaky, you're screwed.
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Thanks very much for your imput gentlemen.

"or you could just get your system, and use it for a week to see how it works for you before you even think about dishing any more money out on RAM"

Ya, I wasn't really planning on getting any more RAM immediately, I was just wondering what sort of problems I may have when I decide to put more in. I mainly plan on playing WoW and Fall from Heaven 2 in the near future, so I don't think this computer should have much trouble running those games.
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It is very simple to install the extra 6 gigs and very inexpensive, too.  The motherboard comes with a book that explains how to add the sticks of RAM, starting with stick one and progressing through stick six.  I ordered a preconfigured version similar to your version and have had it for a few weeks now, running constantly with only one shut-down and restart the entire time.  I've been torturing it, and basically the problems I have encountered are MICROS**T  O**ICE  issues; email program crashes regularly; and IE7 crashed daily.  IE8 was impossible to use. But that has nothing to do with RAM or OC'ing.
 
I have:
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 OC'd to 3.75 MHz
Memory: 12GB DDR3 1600MHz Mushkin Enhanced
Motherboard: Intel X58 M (Micro w/ only 2 video card slots)
Graphics: 2x NVIDIA GTX 275 w/896 MB and PhysX
Power Supply: Silent 700W
Storage: 1TB 7200RPM w/ 32 Mb Cache
Case: HAF-932 unmodified case
Cooling: Asetek Liquid cooling
Optical Drive: LG DVD/CD 24/48 speed Burner (non-lightscribe)

I ordered the deal that came with 6 gig of DDR3, 1600 RAM that was part of the package. I wanted 12 gigs of RAM, so I called DS and they told me what to get and where to get it- so for only $139  I got another 6 gigs ( 3x 2gig sticks) of Mushkin Enhanced DDR3, 1600 Mhz RAM- and it's BLUE!  I have blue RAM in the red sockets and the original RAM in the black sockets. AND - no RAM-related issues w/ the OC'ing as far as I know.  I am a heavy multitasker, so I need the RAM.  This beast throws of NO noticeable heat at all.  It is REALLY quiet.  I just wish someone would tell me where to get a blue cold cathode setup and how to connect it to the power supply without messing up the beautiful wiring job inside - that I want to show off along with my black & blue RAM sticks and liquid cooling. Also, that blue lighted Asetek fan is bright!

It's all good  !
 
 
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Program crashes can easily be caused by overclocking or in your case, adding more ram to an already overclocked system.

I would suggest you run LinX or Prime 95 at least, it may save your data one day in the future. 

Even if you think everything is perfect and stable, I can almost say for sure that your processor is going to throw a bad bit of information and F something up one day if you don't run either program to check your overclock/ram stability/integrity.


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Originally posted by PsychDoc

.  I just wish someone would tell me where to get a blue cold cathode setup and how to connect it to the power supply without messing up the beautiful wiring job inside - that I want to show off along with my black & blue RAM sticks and liquid cooling. Also, that blue lighted Asetek fan is bright!
It's all good  !
 
 
are you looking for a  blue CCFL like this one?  http://www.mountainmods.com/dual-12-inch-blue-cold-cathode-kit-p-100.html
it just plugs into a standard MOLEX connector, that rectangular four pin plug.
 
And like Venom said, make sure your system is stable, for the i7 I have found many systems to pass Linx, but not pass prime 95 if the ram has problems. When testing max ram speed or tightening timings Linx may still show stable, bit Prime 95 will throw an error.  If it is unstable  you may not notice any problems at first but overtime you will have a corrupted POS system, that will have to be formatted and have a fresh windows install.


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Yes -that's what I was seeking, and plugs right into the open molex connector under the HAF-932's front fan. Thanks for the link Ouch
 
As for stability, what could I do to take precautions regarding using the 12 gigs of DDR3, 1600MHz Mushkin Enhanced RAM?  Basically, I have added another 3x 2 Gig sticks (recommended to me by Eric) to the existing 6 gigs...I do not know of a test that could be done to ascertain whether the timing/settings are correct for stability over time. Any ideas are appreciated! 
 
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If you go here http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/latest-overclocking-programs-system-info-benchmarking-stability-tools-30530/
you will see stability programs.. I assume you have vista 64 bit, so if you download prime95 64 bit, run the blend test for at least 12 hours, 24 if possible. I would also recommend OCCT, it has Intel burn test option, and GPU test option. 4 hours of OCCT or 2 hours of intel burn test.   I personally run all of the tests I listed, because too often when the PC is very close to stable, it will pass one test but fail another.
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Vernon,
 
OK, I'm learning as I go.  Can you direct me to find LinX or Prime 95?   Thanks.
 
This is what we seem to be discussing when deciding whether to buy that Intel MAXED OUT 3.33 Mhz chip  AT + $1,000 MORE - or to overclock, save the grand or so, and smirk at those fools who SPENT THE CASH but (apparently)have a more stable system.  It is STABILITY that I care most about -after performance. 
 
TO DS:  SHOULD I HAVE BOUGHT A CUSTOMIZED SYSTEM USING AN I7,  3.33 MHZ PROCESSOR WITHOUT OVERCLOCKING-- OR DO I NEED TO HAVE YOU TWEAK THE SYSTEM I HAVE JUST PURCHASED?  I'M STILL IN MY INITIAL 30-DAY PERIOD, SO THIS IS THE TIME TO MAKE DECISIONS.  PENNYWISE AND POUND FOOLISH IS NOT A RISK I CAN TAKE WHEN THIS MACHINE IS MY LIVILIHOOD, SO YOUR ADVISE IS APPRECIATED.
 
 
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