Ice Dragon Cooling Fluid

I am not sure if any of you have heard of us, and I couldn't find any sort of 'rules' for this forum.  So, if by linking another forum discussion is a bad thing I am sorry.  It is the easy way.  The forum discusses some of the aspects of the fluid that some of you might find helpful.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=257131

hope you have permission to sell your oil here?

if any of you want to test our nanofluid send me your testing capabilities and test plan, and we will send you a sample.

If you go to most of the other overclocking websites they have tested our stuff - you can read all about it.

did you look at any of the other websites?  Lots of tests.  There is even one done in German.  There should be a review out any day now of our stuff vs. all the other coolants on the market.  There is also some studies being done by Mayhem dyes.  We've sent samples all over the place (AMD, Corsair, Coolit, Origin, NASA, Thermogear, girlgamer, Icronic), so we are against sending it out.

what are capable of measuring?  We'd need fluid temps measured somewhere (rad in and rad out) and the flow rate to keep tabs on the load.  Do you cool anything besides just the CPU?  Can you control your rad fan speed yourself?  A gallon would be a lot, but it depends on where you are.  We usually send 2 - 32oz bottles.

As for long term usage, you have this thing called 'stokes-settling' that will occur just due to gravity, but if the fluid is agitated that does not occur because the nanoparticles are neutrally buoyant.  So, if you don't turn your computer off for months at a time it will be good.  I have had it running in my computer for over two years, but that computer is almost never off.

We are currently doing some evaporation studies.

the nanoparticles are Zinc-oxide, which doesn't react with copper or aluminum.  It is also a biocide - which is a nice thing too.  The particle's mean size is 20nm.  

That's great that you see it that way.  no one is making you buy it.  And, it depends on what you are after.  I could cool all that stuff you are cooling with some crazy amount of water (why that much water??) with a single loop and one tiny radiator.  My system would be half the noise of yours, smaller, look a whole lot better, not have a bunch of tubes and, on top of that, be the same temp. 

come by and check us out at CES.


Edited by relttem - 16 Sep 2010 at 2:05pm

Originally posted by relttem That's great that you see it that way.  no one is making you buy it.  And, it depends on what you are after.  I could cool all that stuff you are cooling with some crazy amount of water (why that much water??) with a single loop and one tiny radiator.  My system would be half the noise of yours, smaller, look a whole lot better, not have a bunch of tubes and, on top of that, be the same temp.  come by and check us out at CES.

Please, oh please cool all my components with one tiny radiator, love to see over 1000 watt load with fluid temps less than +2C over ambient.. this really shows that you are just a snake oil salesman, no single, tiny rad can perform that way, even with a 500 CFM fan, and all the magical oil in the world it still would be 30C+ over ambient 

I heard if you feed trolls, they won't go back under their bridge.

a 1000Watt load?..how big is your power supply?  I am just curious.


Edited by relttem - 17 Sep 2010 at 9:03am

I am not taking any disrespect. Seriously, I am not.  I totally agree with your hesitation and skepticism.  I would be the same way.  Sometimes I think the bashing gets a little out of hand, but it's the internet. And, sometimes, as with you, I need proof of some of the numbers people spit out.  I will do my best to prove what we got.  We have a lot of numbers and research done.  We have some published papers in some mechanical engineering journals, a dissertation etc.  We have had a lot of testers do tests with positive results.  The latest test, which hasn't been released yet, shows even more improvement.  This last test actually monitored load - which wasn't done on the previous tests.
At CES last year we had 2 Systems of two computers (AMD and Intel) on display both over clocked - but, I will admit they were no cutting edge machines.  Last year was purely demonstration, and what we did was buy 4 WC computers from custom builders (like here), and replaced the water in two of the systems with our stuff.  Then, we loaded them with thermocouples and monitored inlet and outlet temps of the coolant, before and after the cooling block, as well as ambient, CPU core temp, and temp after the rad.  Then, we ran a CFD program that was set to load each core at 100%.  It took 8 hours for Fluent to reach a solution solving a 350,000x350,000 matrix.  At the same time we had SETI running on each of the cores to make sure the load was 100%.  Using labview and a data computer we had another monitor that showed thermocouple readings.  You could see whatever temps you wanted - this vs. that.  We demonstrated what our stuff could do to whomever stopped by (Corsair, Coolit, Google, Intel, AMD, Columbia U, Thermogear to name a few).  This year will be a little different in that we will have an actual bench set-up that let's us control the load specifically.  So, we can load the block with 500W, for example, and show what happens.   We will control both WC pump and rad fan speed too.
I have done water cooling for a while and actually started out with phase-change stuff at a company called Kryotech - who was a pioneer of using refrigerant.
I can answer just about any question regarding this stuff.  And, I was actually recommended to come to this website - believe it or not.

In short, what is going on with the nanofluid is that we have specifically shaped particles (20nm).  These particles don't change the thermal conductivity of the fluid, but they affect the boundary layer.  This enhances the heat transfer by increasing the convective coefficient.  What that does is allow more heat to be  put into the system without changing the dT.  Which, is what we have shown, and our testers have shown. 
If you have any specific questions let me know.

this is the latest test:
Gigabyte X58A-UD7, Core i7 (19x2000) @1.375v, BFG GTX280 SLI (627/1107 @1138mV). DDC3.2 w/XSPC V3 Top, Swiftech GTZ, Danger Den Tieton GTX in SLI (stock TIM/Pads), Koolance FM17, Delrin T drain, 2x Delrin T temps sensors, XSPC RX360 V2, 2x Delrin Temp Sensors, EK 150 Res.

Kryotech would be more like helping ford design the car, not the gas tank..there wasn't a lot of phase change going on in 1998.  If I remember correctly there was only one other commercially available system...anyway.

i would like to see were the tests have been done links to websites that are well known before i see any links to any larger webpage with decent tests its just another sale`s argument you are comming with

wow, what resolution is ur setup justin?

I love your new signature Justin. 

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I like the new sig too..free advertisement..rock on

Seriously, thanks for the test suggestion.  I will seriously try to make this happen.  It might take a liitle bit because we are sort of concentrating on CES right now.

This what we have planned at the moment and was wondering for some feedback.  We have a copper block with three cartridge heaters in it - each at 200W.  Our WC block can hook up straight the block.  This lets us put a know heat load on the system.  We have a thermocouple measuring the temp at the block -WCblock interface..sort of like Tj of a chip.  Then, we will measure our fluid temps and air temps.  As a predecessor to the test above do you think this will show any meaningful data?  We can show how the nanofluid's performance changes as the heat load increases vs. that of water or any other cooling liquid.

Justin, I really appreciate your insight..it is seriously helping out.  The trade show is going to show some other things we are working along with CPU stuff.  I will try to replicate your system.  But, give me some time to put it together.  I will start with identical rads and then step the nanofluid one down. 

I can look into getting you a ticket to CES if you want one.  let me know.

You can't look at the temperatures without looking at the rest of the data.  we actually didn't get beat by plain water -  we didn't get beat by anyone.  If you look at the loads you will see that the load on the nanofluid is a lot higher than that of the TAP, along with all the other fluids, and we were still within 1% of the tap temp.  The data from that test wasn't presented very well.  You call look at the load on the FluidXP - almost 500W..there wasn't even 500W going in the system...  We did a first law analysis on the whole test and posted it on our website..  We beat TAP/everyone..again


Edited by relttem - 23 Sep 2010 at 10:02am