initial impressions of the rigPost Date: 2007-10-31 |
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ed1371
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Topic: initial impressions of the rigPosted: 31 Oct 2007 at 2:57am |
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Received it this afternoon and of course, been getting it "just right" installing all the apps, games, and such..
I will have a full review within 2 days done once i can get benchmarks run as well as some real time testing done. Initial impressions though: packaging: outstanding job with the packaging. There wasnt a single scratch on the rig and everything was very secure in the box. Everything was included in the order as well as the Tshirt that the wife promptly stole. Exterior: Almost flawless... not a single scratch. It is really something that has to be seen to be apreciated. I am VERY glad I waited for the paint finish... its one hell of a job! The only discrepency I found was 2 small cracks on the plexiglass where the screws are located, neither of which were larger than 1/4 an inch. Interior wiring/cooling: WOW.... Awesome job on both... the wiring and cooling were done really clean and no kinks in the cooling lines. Only hiccup was the wiring of the sound card... the pop up external port on the casr was wired to the sound card and when I tried to use the mic (plugged into the card itself)... it would NOT work no matter what I did. I Then popped off the connector to the card and it worked fine... There was a second connector sitting beside the other one and I tried that one and the mic worked just fine with both the back of the card and the front case connector. Front USB ports work and the only one I haven't tried was the firewire which I will do tomorrow. Functionality/speed: Everything ran perfect from the first push of the power button. As far as speed goes, the qx 6850 was overclocked to 3.67 and the ram is running at 1066 (I have the 1250 speed, gotta look into it) I was expecting a slightly higher overclock but it is not really an issue.. a few hundred MHZ wont do much as far as real world performance goes. The video cards were both running stock speeds even with water cooling as well. Overall: VERY IMPRESSED by the quality. The few hiccups are minor and it runs extremely fast. COD4 demo ranged from 110-150 FPS at max settings... made me very happy I will have a full review w/pics in a few days. Only thing pressing is I would like to look into getting a new plexiglass window. Cracks are small now but dont want them to grow. |
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sundowner
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 6:06am |
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I expect COD2 FPS results!
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ed1371
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 12:23pm |
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I have a ton of games I need to install... gotta get vista 32/64 installed correctly first. The tri-boot setup had a couple hiccups yesterday (dual boot went fine) so thats what I need to get fixed tonight. Also need to get into the BIOS and get my memory runnning at the right speed. (99% sure I know what needs to get changed) Once that is done the games will get on there and the benching will begin.
Also might OC the proc a tad bit more... with the multi at 11x (what DS set it at) it hits 3.67 ghz... with it at 12x it jumps to 4 ghz... Before I do it though I wanted to check with DS and make sure that doesnt void warrenty first.
Only thing that sucks is having to work!
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Sherlock
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 1:42pm |
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Ed, since I have PC2-10000 ram in my yet-to-be-delivered system, I'm interested why mem is not demonstrating 1250Mhz. I'll look for further posts on the subject. Couple of questions: Were the latencies left at 5-5-5-18 or improved; Was a Dominator-specific airflow fan attached or included in the box?
I do find it disconcerting that, out of the box, your PC2-10000 is registering 1066...what happened to Stage 3 quality control? I assume a specs binder came with your rig--is ram speed indicated correctly, or is it a reduced number. Sherlock |
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 2:41pm |
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The eVGA 680i motherboard currently does not like to work with both a 1333MHz FSB CPU and ram running at 1250MHz (Even with the P31 BIOS update). It has to do with the FSB:MEM ratio and memory holes within the actual chipset design. What we do is, reduce the ram to 1066Mhz and make your timings from 5-5-5-18-2T to 4-4-4-10-2T. This makes up for the difference in 1250Mhz and 1066Mhz. In our tests, running the ram at a lower latency increases the overall system's performance. We have seen better benchmark scores with lower latency ram at 1066MHz than 1250MHz with higher latencies. That's how our review systems are setup. Reason being is that the memory running at 1066Mhz is not the bottleneck, the quad-core is quad pumped at 333MHz (1333MHz/4) and the ram is dual pumped at 533Mhz (Dual Channel 1066/2).
Currently, we do not offer overclocking on the video cards, we simply liquid cool them, our TwisterBoost overclocking is currently for the processor. However, when we begin to offer video card overclocking, give us a call and we will provide you simple step by step guide on how to flash your video cards BIOS with overclocked settings. (This will be from a bootable floppy disk).
Regarding the 4GHz multiplier jump, you can try it, but, you will have stability issues. Our key is complete system stability, and after numberous testing, etc, 3.67GHz was the best.
Glad to hear you love the system. The screw cracks you are talking about are very common lately, they seem to be comming from the manufactuer. If you would like, I can look into finding a window with no 2mm screw cracks on it and we can send you out a replacement, let me know.
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ed1371
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 3:27pm |
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Alex:
Yup I noticed the ram timings exactlly as you posted them here. After seeing they were manually set I wrote them all down and left em alone until after researching/talking with you guys.
I spoke with robert this morning about the plexi and arranged with him to send out a replacement window.
Before I OC anything I am going to get it all set and ready software-wise without changing any of the settings that you guys put in. If you guys said that 3.67 is the most stable then I believe ya.
Sherlock:
The memory does have the fan on it and the timings are just as Alex said.
Quality control is certainly there I can assure you. The care that was put into the building/configuring of it was glaringing obvious no matter how "down in the weeds" I got with it.
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Alex
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 3:42pm |
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Cool. See how high you can push it, I am very interested in your findings!
One thing you can do before you overclock is save your overclock settings into "Profile 1." This allows you to save and load BIOS timings/voltages easily.
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Kelly
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 3:50pm |
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can't wait to see you on the servers now!!! How was your first game? |
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Sherlock
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 4:42pm |
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Alex, you wrote: "The eVGA 680i motherboard currently does not like to work with
both a 1333MHz FSB CPU and ram running at 1250MHz (Even with the P31
BIOS update).... What we do is, reduce the ram to 1066Mhz and make your timings
from 5-5-5-18-2T to 4-4-4-10-2T. This makes up for the difference in
1250Mhz and 1066Mhz. In our tests, running the ram at a lower latency
increases the overall system's performance. We have seen better
benchmark scores with lower latency ram at 1066MHz than 1250MHz with
higher latencies." Thanks for the explanation, Alex. Since the PC2-10000 mem is a costly upgrade and generally for the enthusiast, wouldn't it make sense for DS to place an explanation on the configuration page as to what exactly the customer is purchasing? And accompanied by appropriate benchmark scores? It was not mentioned at the time I purchased my system--either by the rep or in subsequent written communication. To discover an issue now, on this forum of all places, is really inappropriate, don't you think? Alex, can you post the benchmarks? BTW, Ed, your rig, as pictured earlier, looks BEAUTIFUL--and soooo glad your intial impressions are of the same high quality workmanship others have expressed. THE WITCHER arrived 10 minutes ago by UPS--now all I need is my new system to play it on. |
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 4:52pm |
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Sherlock, this is something we just found. Some systems work with it and some don't. There's no real common denominator except the ram/cpu combos. So when we tried the different timings, those problems started going away. I think you're right that there should be a more uniform method of explaning our findings, but unfortuntately, they don't apply to everyone. so we post our findings here in the forums.
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 5:31pm |
A good idea might to make a sticky, moderator-post only thread with all of the current information available (such as this, the OC'ing information, etc.). Edited by Jingping - 31 Oct 2007 at 5:32pm |
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Alex
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 6:11pm |
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As Kelly stated, this is something that is recently new, we are going to be integrating it into the website shortly. It's not that we are not putting what the customer ordered inside the system, just that a stability issue has recently came up. Perhaps we will have a fix for this as well, but, with the performance gains with lower latencies, the 4-4-4-10-2T is a better choice. We are never going to give our customers a product that is lower than our standards.
Regarding benchmarks, I will see what I can do, but, for now we are very busy with the website update.
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 6:12pm |
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Alex, the only thing I noticed when I got my rig, which I didn't mention because it was so petty, was that I too had a cracked corner on the window of my Extreme case. As a matter of fact, since I've had it now, that corner is only there because the screw is tacking it to the side panel.
I don't want to be a heavy on you guys, but do you think you could send me out another clear panel also? I'm very reluctant to ask this... but I did. ![]() |
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Alex
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 7:09pm |
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Sure, call us please. |
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 9:53pm |
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Thanks buddy!
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ed1371
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Posted: 31 Oct 2007 at 11:26pm |
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now I feel bad for being petty...
actually.. no I don't... I have a feeling that the DS techs/system builders are a lot more petty than I ever could be! (thats a good thing!) By the way... funny story, My CO (commanding officer) knows I have been waiting on this thing since Iraq and yesterday he asked how it was. I told him about how great it was and that DS really put the icing on the cake (the cake is a lie) with the great paint job... He couldn't believe someone would get a "paint job" on a puter so I sent him a pic via email... 5 min later he comes back and asks if "those guys" would paint his motorcycle helmet! ![]() |
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