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    Posted: 22 Oct 2008 at 11:13am
Intel demos Core i7 965 EE running Lost Planet

IDF Taipei: Beats the old EE hands down

Intel had two demo systems on stage running Lost Planet as a comparison to show how much better the new Core i7 processors will be than the Core 2 generation. The two systems used a Radeon HD 3870 X2 graphics card and the demo was running at 1,280x960.

The Core i7 system was an average 10-20fps faster than the QX9770 powered system. However, certain parts of the game were up to 30-40fps faster using the upcoming CPU which is quite an impressive result. We still don't think this is enough of an advantage to convince people that already have a high-end Core 2 Quad system to make the switch.

We're sure it's appealing to some gamers and certain high-end users, but considering the cost to upgrade to the Core i7 platform, we have a feeling that a lot of people are going to wait until prices will hopefully come down sometime next year.



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STILL A TEN PERCENT INCREASE!
 
 
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Not sure how 20 more fps or 30 to 40 fps equals 10%, look like you are using fuzzy math.

Also this is against the qx9770


So ya if you have a QX9770 this is the difference, but if you are using a lower cpu then the QX9770 then the difference is much greater.

Don't forget the i7 965 will cost less then QX9770 also



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this seems like a pretty nice speed increase.  Once the prices come down it should be a nice upgrade imo
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rofl they have a very good point about not wanting to spend the money on up grading a system from a qx9770. however, not everyone has one. i refuse to say what my 3.5 year old system has hence why i am looking at upgrading to a new system. and depending on what the price is it might be worth me getting a x58 and cut corners else where until i have the money to come back and upgrade.
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It doesnt matter really, not waiting until nehalem is out at this point in time, is not  a very wise move + add a solid month of waiting after the actual chip is out, fried by overclockers and bitched at by regular customers with problems, then youll see if its worth wasting money on.

That much we all agree on Embarrassed


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no, that much you agree on, most don't' agree.

honestly, I can't even make sense out of that,

any facts instead of tales of future?

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Really bad example game though; they intentonally picked the only game on the market that dynamically uses more cores at once.  Lets see 20 extra FPS in Crysis, then we have something to talk about.
 
If they can't get more than a 30% or so increase at best on the only game that can actually use all 8 cores, then that proves my point that theres no reason to upgrade if you have a Q9550 or above.
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Alright let me put it in a way that youll understand:
 
1, A new chip is out
2. You wait till said chip hits the stores
3. You wait till people buy said chip.
   a. you wait till overclockers fry said chip and discover its limits
   b. you wait till regular joe starts having problems, if any
4. You wait another month
   a. You buy the new chip
   or
   b. You buy a previus chip w/ old microarchitecture
     
 
Ez?
 
PS: 10-20FPS increase in FPS is actually close to 10% increase overall. No body counts spike fps, its all about the average FPS. And as far as im concerned this game is crap, like crysis - only used to promote products. If anything, intel should take a mainstream game and test that instead of resource hogs. Embarrassed Thatll show an average gamer if they should invest in Nehalem.


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Why in gods name did you ever have that taunt emoticon in the emoticon pack DST4ME.

Too each their own as they say, though being overly picky about games can only go so far.  What mainstream game would you be referring to?
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Originally posted by Nomak

Alright let me put it in a way that youll understand:
 

1, A new chip is out

2. You wait till said chip hits the stores

3. You wait till people buy said chip.

   a. you wait till overclockers fry said chip and discover its limits

   b. you wait till regular joe starts having problems, if any

4. You wait another month

   a. You buy the new chip

   or

   b. You buy a previus chip w/ old microarchitecture

     

 

Ez?

 

PS: 10-20FPS increase in FPS is actually close to 10% increase overall. No body counts spike fps, its all about the average FPS. And as far as im concerned this game is crap, like crysis - only used to promote products. If anything, intel should take a mainstream game and test that instead of resource hogs. Embarrassed Thatll show an average gamer if they should invest in Nehalem.


everything you said is speculations.

still not one fact to show i7 is not good.

20 fps increase was based on the qx9770.

I love how you leave those important facts out, average gamer does not have the qx9770 so the average gamer will see more then 20 to 40 fps from that chip and play less for it they they would a qx9770.

please do the math for me and show me how 20 fps equals 10%, when max fps for games are around is 60 to 70 fps.

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...everything you said is speculations...
 
Everything that i have said details how a person makes a quality purchase of a new technology.
 
...still not one fact to show i7 is not good...
 
I never said Nehalem was "not good" - I said not waiting for it was not a good move.
 
Looking at a gaming scene in 2008 most of the games released are supporting duos as prime CPUs for gaming, resource hogs aside; lost planet is the only game that supports quads (+ addition of extra cores) and actually takes advantage of extra cores the "right" way. Unless something along the lines of CoD or CS <insert any other hot title> comes that takes advantage of more cores nothing will change as far as games are concerned. Same thing will be in 2009, Intels end of life for duos wont change the fact that most gamers will be sticking with their now "old" CPUs that still perform just as well as the latest qx9770 in most, if not all the games.
 
20 fps increase was based on the qx9770
 
e8600/500 does a splendid job as far as games are concerned (this is a bad comparison really, showing off a game made to take advantage of extra cores, which no one plays, and saying its a 20 fps increase is shady, and this alone would not warrant a new mobo+expensive ram to go with it) and is what an average gaming rig would have nowadays. Comparing performance vs qx9770 price is not worth it. Mainstream Nehalem will not change that fact either,  as you will need a new mobo + ram. Until they produce meaningful benchmarks that feature a wide selection of games this "10% percent increase overall" doesnt hold up, like youve said before and ill sum it up "Wait until the proper hardware for it comes out and only then compare benchmarks."
 
I love how you leave those important facts out, average gamer does not have the qx9770 so the average gamer will see more then 20 to 40 fps from that chip and play less for it they would a qx9770.
 
Youre right, an average gamer has no need for qx9770 when qx9770 barely out-performs e8600/500 gaming wise, i mean by barely being 1000$+ more expensive.
 
How would they pay less when enthusiast Core i7 965ee would cost close to 1000$ w/ Rampage Extreme (insert any other brand) hovering around 400-500$? Dont forget memory thatll total close to 500$ for high-end kits and 200-300$ for mainstream.
 
please do the math for me and show me how 20 fps equals 10%, when max fps for games are around is 60 to 70 fps
 
Theres little to no math involved, if youre getting 50 steady fps and after upgrading to a new CPU/MOBO/RAM (Core i7) start getting 60 fps you have a 10% increase. Ouch 


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lol again everything you said is an assumption.

for example:
you assume the user is going from 50 fps to 60.

I'm not interested in discussing anything other then facts.

facts are we don't have teh core yet, we don't know how it does on other games either.

If I can't even get a simple answer as how 20fps equal 10%, then obviously there is no need to continue. Unless ofcourse you think I'm so blind that I didn't notice you answered my 20fps question with a 10fps answer, which then would be very offensive.

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Prices ive listed are correct. Theres one fact.
 
please do the math for me and show me how 20 fps equals 10%, when max fps for games are around is 60 to 70 fps
 
I can assume a person is running 50-60 fps before upgrade, and getting 60-70 fps after an upgrade - theyll have a 10% increase in fps Ouch, up it to 70-80 and thatll be a 20% increase. Thats a math. fact here.
 
Unless the game has capped FPS/graphically intense, which wouldnt matter after a certain #fps as your eye wont be able to tell a difference and said rig had trouble hitting that cap, then the % would different - just like 10% would be calculated in a differet manner! But i dont have their benches that theyve used. Theres another fact.
 
 
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so now we have 20% increase.

where did you get the prices from?

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Originally posted by Nomak

Theres little to no math involved, if youre getting 50 steady fps and after upgrading to a new CPU/MOBO/RAM (Core i7) start getting 60 fps you have a 10% increase. Ouch 


Good job, you just gave every math teacher in existence a reason to beat you with a paddle.

50 fps increased to 60 fps is 20% increase.  60 - 50 = 10, 50x(percent value) = 10

10/50 = 20% I don't even wanna start on the other thing, but 50 increasing to 70 would then be a 40%.


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Wink
 
 
Aight, im gonna go jump back in high school and be back w/ new grades.
 
Source is your own favorite fudzilla.
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lol you know fudzilla doesn't even sound right who came-up with that one

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Doesnt sound right? Every tech. article you link is from there.
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He was simply just describing that the name doesn't sound right, That don't mean he wouldn't post articles from there.
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That got lost in my sarcasm filter.
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Interestingly enough, I wasn't being sarcastic I was just trying to break it down simply.

I'm the last person to be sarcastic about stuff.  And only a select few ever deserve that from me, and you definitely don't even scratch  the beginning of that scale. (Yes that'd probably be a compliment even though it sounded awkward.)
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yes thank you AD, I was talking about the site's name

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Well, bottom line, overall the chip looks to be a better performer.  As far as how much it can take compared to the current chips is what im curious about.
 
Also, seems o always be SOME issues with brand new mobo when a new chip comes out, but who can say for sure?
 
Also, since im not too savy on the new i7 comin out...will there also be a new memory type as well?
 
And im stilll leaning towards the QX97 chip. despite i7 coming out.  Im sure its price will come down quite a bit
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Ya I'm sure prices will drop, can't wait to see.

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