Leaving PC on Vs. Turning it OffPost Date: 2009-11-25 |
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AndydViking
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Topic: Leaving PC on Vs. Turning it OffPosted: 25 Nov 2009 at 5:50pm |
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I just wanted some peoples input into what is best for the longevity of your PC as far as the turning off or leaving the pc on debate I've read on some sites. Here is what I do, is their any problems with this?...1) I use a good APC surge protector
2) I turn on the PC only once per day and off once with little exeption
3) When I leave for work I switch off the surge protector and remove the ethernet cable (in case their would be a lightning storm while I'm away).
I don't use a UPS because I heard their are some problems doing so and that a surge protector is the way to go. As far as my uses of the PC it's mainly gaming and internet srfing so I don't find the need to keep the PC on for that reason either.
Is this ok? Too paranoid? Edited by AndydViking - 25 Nov 2009 at 5:54pm |
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e06028
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Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 6:20pm |
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Edited by e06028 - 25 Nov 2009 at 7:34pm |
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philiporphillip
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Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 6:35pm |
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i used to leave my pc on about the whole day, unless i were to leave my house. i mostly listened to my iTunes music collection and surf. but sometimes when i would go watch a movie in the living room, i would turn my pc on well over several hours. did i worry it would overheat? no, it was just a regular, ordinary pc from Compaq.
however, when my new DS gaming pc arrives in a week or so hopefully, i won't leave it on the whole day. there's a significant difference between a pc and a gaming pc .. because i worry about heating issues with my DS pc, i'm going to take pre-cautions like buying a hdd cooler, memory coolers, and pci cooler/pci heat exhaust. i have the HAF 922 case like you do and i ordered the optional air chassis upgrade. paranoid? i'm somewhat am paranoid .. i think i'm becoming a cooler-fanatic. |
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AndydViking
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Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 6:36pm |
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Thanks. Good article. I figured it would be smething like that. I'm only on the PC for a few hrs of gaming a day. I just couldn't justify leaving it on unless I heard that it was integral to longevity of the pc.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 6:37pm |
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All my pcs are on 24/7 and some are 8 years old.
I do have a good apc surge protector, everybody should have one of those. I do have automatic update on but I only get windows updates and not any other things like hardware driver updates and etc. I scan system twice week, defrag once every 3 to 6 month. heat is no issue when leaving pc on, since its on idle. the only reason to turn your pc off is to save power. my monitor however goes to sleep after 15min of inactivity. I can't say I agree with that article, specially the part where they compare a tv to a pc, not the same thing at all. Edited by DST4ME - 25 Nov 2009 at 6:39pm |
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AndydViking
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Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 7:21pm |
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@ DST4ME so you do not use a UPS?
Lightning has never been a concern?
With my PC usage (about 3-4 hrs of gaming a day) do you recommend I just leave my PC on all day (longevity being the top priority to me)?
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AndydViking
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Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 8:10pm |
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philiporphillip
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Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 8:21pm |
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thanks, AndydViking.
btw, you put 2 fs in your signature .. Haff 922 .. just a friendly pointing-out ^_^ |
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justin.kerr
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Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 8:21pm |
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I always turn mine off when not using them, crazy to waste all that energy, and lowers the life of all the parts when on all the time.
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AndydViking
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Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 8:25pm |
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Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 8:26pm |
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i always turn mine off when going to sleep. or if im not going to be home for most of the day.
and i dont have a surge protector ;) |
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AndydViking
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Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 8:31pm |
Edited by AndydViking - 25 Nov 2009 at 8:38pm |
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Shar
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Posted: 26 Nov 2009 at 3:05am |
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Interesting. Don't anyone use sleep mode?
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sirsiddius
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Posted: 26 Nov 2009 at 5:09am |
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I either turn off my pc or keep it in in sleep mode because I respect mother earth, unlike some octa sli toting individuals on this board.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 27 Nov 2009 at 12:52am |
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Yes I do use a surge protector.
over 8 years and I don't see what part is dying because I leave my pc on 24/7. and on my systems, both cpu and gpu are under stress 24/7 due to the fact that they are both folding. of course if you pc is oced to 4.4GHz or higher, then I can see why you might not want it on 24/7
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Kyu
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Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 8:16pm |
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4.0ghz Air cooled, here on a crappy antec p182 stock fans
PC's been on for 5 and half months straight now,
Sorta lazy to turn my pc off or I forget to, Leave it on with a movie playing, No idea how that actually helps me fall asleep
But yah I havn't seen any of my parts starting to fail on me either.
My other 2 pc's are junky so maybe once in awhile
(maybe a day out of 220 would get BSOD during full game play) But those are cheapo dell's with bad cooling
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philiporphillip
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Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 8:44pm |
4.0 ghz ?! did you oc it .. lol, i'm sure you did and it's been running with stock fans? that's amazing considering 5.5 months. lol, what movie do you play when sleeping? |
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Sneakerz
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Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 9:03pm |
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I used to shut mine off every night but now I just put it to sleep at night when I go to bed.
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AndydViking
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Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 10:41pm |
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Interesting.
When I asked this i was actually operating from the assumption that it would be better to leave the PC ON because of the cooling off then heating, over and over again that occurs with shutting down. I came to the conclusion to just shut down because my PC doesn't get enough use to justify using all that power all day. If I worked from home or something of that nature I would leave the PC on all the time.
Something to weigh out in regards to PC longevity; the heat from having it on all day 24/7 or the heating then cooling of parts with shuting down everyday. So I just decided to turn on once and turn off once a day. Ultimatly will not leave it on all the time.
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westom
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Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 1:08pm |
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Which is why all light bulbs, the car, and every television and radio are also left on. On/off switches exist to cause higher failure rates - increase sales. Or then we consult the few who actually repaired many of these things only to also learn why each one failed. For example, he turned it off. It would not restart. That proved power cycling was destructive. Then I located the actual failure. A pullup resistor on the power supply controller circuit. That resistor had only one function - to provide bootstrap power during power on. Since left on 24/7, that pullup resistor burned out and failed. A failure that became obvious only much later. Failure directly traceable to too many hours of operation. A 180 degree different conclusion once wild speculation is replaced with facts and logic. Turn it off when done to increase life expectancy. That 'cooling' is near zero - trivial. How many degrees does it cool? Ten? When it was constructed, those parts were repeatedly temperature cycled many hundreds of degrees - which is also not harmful. Just a few numbers that most will ignore to recommend "leave it on". This is not even debatable. "Leave it on" is a symptom of popular myth and ‘ignore the numbers’ reasoning – also called junk science. Same applies to the many who foolishly recommend a protector adjacent to the appliance. Recommend only because they were told to; did not bother to ask some damning questions. For example, how does that protector stop what three miles of sky could not? Any protection that works at the appliance is already inside the appliance - as required by standards that existed long before the IBM PC existed. All appliances contain surge protection. Your concern is a rare anomaly that occurs typically once every seven years. That will overwhelm appliance protection. That cannot be stopped or absorbed by those APC, et al protectors. That must be connected to earth before entering a building. How do high reliability facilities do it for over 100 years? No plug-in protectors. They use a properly earthed ‘whole house’ protector. Why? They need effective protection. How to spend tens or 100 times less money for the only solution used in building where damage can never happen? Only more responsible companies sell a 'whole house' protector - ie General Electric, Siemens, Keison, Square D, Polyphaser, Intermatic, or Leviton. A Cutler-Hammer protector sells in Lowes for less than $50. What protects your dishwasher, clock radio, and furnace? All need the same protection. What most needs protection during a surge? Smoke detector. What protects it? Same thing that is the best protection for every electronic device. A properly earthed (ie 'less than 10 foot connection to earth) 'whole house' protector. Where does energy dissipate? Will a few hundred joules inside a power strip absorb surges that are hundreds of thousands of joules? Numbers that are ignored to promote myths. A plug-in protector can even give a surge more destructively paths through nearby appliances. Yes, can even contribute to appliance damage. Either earth energy before it enters the building. Or that energy hunts for earth destructively via appliances. An anomaly that occurs typically once every seven years. A solution provided with technical reasons why. A solution that costs tens or 100 times less money is ... Well, where is the dedicated ground wire on that APC? Where does APC even discuss earthing? When selling a $3 power strip with some ten cent protector parts for $25 or $150, why would they be honest? A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. |
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Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 3:11pm |
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so what are you saying?
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AndydViking
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Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 3:30pm |
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Thanks Westom. That was very informative. With my power strip their is a switch on it. I turn it off at that switch as well to break the circuit.
I know the best protection would be to unplug but I'm too fat to reach way under my desk to unplug every time. Edited by AndydViking - 01 Dec 2009 at 3:34pm |
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Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 7:06pm |
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I know the best protection would be to unplug ... Millimeters separation inside a switch does not stop surges. Once permitted inside a building, a surge will find earth ground - destructively. A room is too full of conductive materials and sneak electrical paths. The effective solution means an earthed surge; energy not inside the building. Early 20th Century Ham radio operators would disconnect an antenna lead. Even put it inside a mason jar. And still suffer damage. Damage stopped when the antenna lead was connected to earth. Concepts understood even 100 years ago. Obtain equivalent protection with only one 'whole house' protector. See the previous list including a Cutler-Hammer that sells in Lowes for less than $50. Anything dependent on human action is unreliable. How, while sitting there, do you unplug fast enough? Surges occur without warning. Often when you forget to unplug or are using the appliance. How often do you unplug a clock radio and smoke detector? AC plugs also have a limited numbers of 'make and breaks'. Unplugging eventually means receptacles would require replacement. More reasons why disconnecting is not viable.
The reliable solution is installed at the service entrance within feet of earth ground. |
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AndydViking
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Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 8:27pm |
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Thanks Westrom. I actually was curious about these units before. I have a guy comming out soon to give an estimate for installation.
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Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 12:27pm |
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haha random movies that are in my HD,
Not "personal" movies though, prbbly wouldn't help me fall asleep
but yeah I OC it my self, stock *case* fans.
the heatsink and fan is aftermarket True 120 and fan is a high static 120m
oc wasnt that hard with the motherboard I had, Actually
I had to RMA my asus and cpu once. returned it after RMA and got this mobo "biostar" and it's actually running smooth, First time i was impressed with it, but read good reviews about it.
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