LF help with rig set up.Post Date: 2010-08-03 |
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BeastBubba 
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 Topic: LF help with rig set up.Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 10:09am |
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Hello,
I will be buying a new gaming computer for my wife in the next few months. Probably around Christmas. I'm trying to see what all I need and get it planned out before hand and get a good set up. I'm an ex-Alienware buyer. After they sold out to Dell and having a issue come up and being told I had to pay $100 just to talk to tech support about a damn recover disk question they lost my business. I curently have 3 Alienwares, 2 desktops and a laptop. My wifes desktop is over 3 years old and needs replacing. From what I have seen and read I really think we will be happy with a DS. With the overclocking and Full liquid cooling I really like the way this company seems to work.
That being said here is my deal. I do not know anything about building a computer. A can reformat one if I'm on the phone with tech suppot and that is about the extent of my knowledge. Me and my wife play video games for our entertainment, that is about all we do. So I want a system that will not need any upgrades for quite a few years and has enough power to run anything at max.
I'm just looking to get a cpu. We have G-19 keyboards and G500 mice. Our monitors are 40" screens. Just so you know what it will be hooking up to.
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BeastBubba
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Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 10:28am |
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Here is the setup I'm currently looking at:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS HailStorm Edition The HailStorm looks great to me, and since I'm going for full LC it should be a great case from what I have read. Any other opinions? Processor: Intel Core i7 970 3.2GHz (Six-Core Gulftown)
This chip overclocked should be one of the best righ?
Motherboard: EVGA X58 FTW3 Edition 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
Here is one place I really just don't have a clue about. Is this a good board? Is there a better board to look at getting? System Memory: 12GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Nothing to really say here, unless the cosair ones are better for some reason?
Power Supply: 1200W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended)
Will 1200W be enough with out having any power issues? Expansion Bay: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black) (NOTE: Disables 2 Front USB Ports)
Wife wants it...
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 2x (128GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: CMFSSD-128GBG2D)
Set 1 Raid Options: Configure HDD Set 1 to a Raid 0 Config - Stripe Performance (Requires Two HDDs) That should be enough memory for us, we are gonna use her old Alienware for media storage. But other than that Raid 0 SSD's sounds like win to me. Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Mostly to copy cd's... Optical Drive 2: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Player (Play Blu-Ray and Play DVDs)
In case we decide to watch Blu-Ray, ir if some developer decides to throw a game on a Blu-Ray... Internet Access: Killer 2100 (Maximum Optimized for Online Gaming) Lag and Latency Reduction
I know alot of people are aginst Killer cards. But Here is my big question. Is this better than just a stock NiC card? Or for that matter the regular card that DS offers? If so than it is worth the money, if not than it is still up in the ari. Video Card: 3x SLI Triple (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
I'm really not sure with this atm. We only 1 monitor, but we want to be able to maz out our graphis, and we are running them on a 40". Now, would 2 480's be better? It would be less GB, but the 480's have faster run speed... What is beter atm? Sound Card: Creative Labs X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion (Includes Front I/O) (PCI-Express Slot Based)
Takes sound processing away from the cpu, and I've always enjoyed CL in the past. Now we use Vent alot when gaming, but we only have the vent sounds played into the headset. Everything else still comes from the speakers. Is this user friendly for that kinda set up? Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 6: Sub-Zero LCS Dual Loop: CPU & Triple SLI/CrossFire Video Cards & Chipset
Less heat with less sound, and I want over clocking. Not to mention we run our PC's for hours at a time gaming. H20 Tube Color:White Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Just selected a color... Picked white thinking it would hold less heat? Realy don't care, I don't want windows nor fancy lighting... |
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BeastBubba
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Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 10:34am |
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Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Was thinking about getting the Noise reduction with the padding. Both of our current desktops have it. But does it really help?
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock the processor between 4.0GHz to 4.2GHz (Requires H20 Cooling Upgrade)
Good here right? Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
470's and 480's from what I have read overclock exceantly, and with them being liguid cooled they should have no problem with heat in this build right?
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
I'm not even sure what this is cooling? Is it the ram? Is this needed in my system?
Thank you for any and all help anyone can provide. I'm sure I'll be making a few new setup's based on feedback over the next few months before I order and really appreciate any help in getting this rig. Bubba
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!ender_
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Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 11:21am |
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most of the cases on the site are really good, take a look at the raven 2, very simple and clean... the hailstorm is a good choice too, especially if you want to LC everything
Processor: Intel Core i7 970 3.2GHz (Six-Core Gulftown)
i mean yes that is a good chip, but its super rediculous overkill for what you said youll be using the computer for. if you chose this chip and they accidentally put in a 930 overclocked to 4.0ish (easy), you would never see a difference.
Motherboard:
I always say to pick the motherboard absolutely last, so we will come back to that once you get everything else picked
System Memory: 12GB DDR3 1600MHz
super overkill, 3gb is really where adding more starts to become inefficient, stick to 6gb @ 1600-2000, its more than you will use.
Power Supply: 1200W
we will have to come back to this one to, you have to pick the PSU to match your build, though we will likely end up with the 1250 enermax
Expansion Bay:
preference, choose what youll use
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 2x (128GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: CMFSSD-128GBG2D)
super no, on multiple counts, bad SSD choice, if you think youll actually use an SSD, just pick up a 80gb intel, then get a storage drive, 128 is really low these days, once you put on windows and 3 or 4 games, youll be at 1/2 capactiy i also wouldnt raid them unless youre doing something other than gaming, waste of money and power in my opinion
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Player (Play Blu-Ray and Play DVDs)
preference again, choose what youll use, but dont buy a bluray holding your breath for a game to come out that will use it
Internet Access: Killer 2100
Nope, the motherboard range you're in will provide all the interweb support you need. after that, its up to the provider, so leave this option out.
Video Card:
definitely go with the dual 480s, for similar price and performance, 2 cards is 20 times better than 3, will reduce heat, power consumption, noise, compatibility issues, etc etc etc Sound Card: Creative Labs X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion
ive never done anything like vent through one and sound through speakers, becuase i only game with headphones.. but i cant see how that could be a problem. anyway, solid choice here, though the pro would probably be enough taking the load off the CPU does not apply any more, the 930 overclocked will literally be doing needlepoint on 4-6 threads while you play even your newer games
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 6: Sub-Zero LCS Dual Loop: CPU & Triple SLI/CrossFire Video Cards & Chipset
you listed a size but not resolution for your monitor, assuming its a TV based on the size, you wont need to overclock your video. this is a preference option for you. you arent an extreme enough user, based on what youve said, to see any benefit from choosing liquid over air cooling. cpu air cooling is quiet anyway, and dual 480s will be jogging on a TV (again, unless you are using an extreme resolution)
H20 Tube Color:
lol the color wont change your temps, so just pick what you like if you end up getting LC Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
i havent used it so i cant comment from personal exp, but i can comment that keeping in noise means keeping in heat, i dont consider this a good idea.
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock the processor between 4.0GHz to 4.2GHz
yes, but the benefits stop at about 3.7ish.. maybe less. so if you choose air, you wont notice a difference
Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
its free so why not, little to no reason not to get this, but its not much of a value, overclock video is easy as crap
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only
I'm not even sure what this is cooling? Is it the ram? Is this needed in my system? not really, the fans look sweet but unless you are REALLY pushing your ram this will do nothing for you.
OR if you get LC for everything but your chipset, this could help keep you a little cooler
those changes will save you a huge chunk of money, for a final build id suggest something based off of: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=428293%20 Edited by !ender_ - 03 Aug 2010 at 12:16pm |
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BeastBubba
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Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 12:55am |
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I beleive our current resolution was 1600 x 1200. But I'm not positive and i'm a lil over 6000miles away from the computer at the moment. The screen this computer will be hooking up to is a Samsung 550 40". It has a 6ms response, and is 1080p HD. 90,000:1 contrast. Would a single 256gb SSD be the same as raided 128's? We honestly won't be using more memory than that. We don't download music, pictures, etc... with our gaming pc's. We will use my wife's current pc for that after getting this one.
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Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 9:05am |
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ok i looked it up, if this ( http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/667438-REG/Samsung_LA_40B550_LA40B550_40_Multisystem_LCD.html ) is the TV you have then its only going to display 1920x1080.. pretty much anything you see "full HD" on will max at this res.
with that res, a single 480 will push it pretty well, dual 480s will be super smooth with maxed settings on any current release
2x128 is not the same as 1x256 HDD, raid forces multiple drives to act as a single drive, raid 0 increases read/write speeds and raid 1 has one drive constantly back up the other drive. dragoon is a lot more qualified to explain the benefits of these than i am, im sure he'll be along some time soon. but in my personal opinion, for someone who really just games and does some web surfing... you'll likely be happy with a standard 500gb hdd. its not so much that i think youll use more than 128GB, its more about price;performance. SSDs came out in a really big hurry and there is a saturation of thrown-together halfass products out there. intel is really ahead of the game in the ssd world.. so for cost effeciency thats why i suggested the 40gb intel SSD + 500gb standard HDD, but if you feel that you want the fastest read/write possible, and its in the budget, then just pick up an 80 or 120 intel SSD and use only that. it would just be a shame to run out of space when you could have a ton of extra storage for only $50.
the idea is that you use the SSD for your "main" apps, not even games, just windows, photoshop, ms office programs, etc, then EVERYTHING else goes on your standard HDD, music, movies, games, pictures, whatever else
the cost effeciency of an SSD is great when you use it in this way, becuase you can get the super speed of a SSD at only $138 for 40gb
after that, however, you drop off the cliff of price:use VERY quickly
unless you use 10 different big applications, you would be hard pressed to use most of your 40 gb ssd where the 80 gb SSD goes up to $256, and you end up paying over $100 to store a bunch of stuff in a way that will not benefit at ALL over a standard HDD... which is where the cheap 500gb HDD comes in
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BeastBubba
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Posted: 07 Aug 2010 at 12:52am |
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Bassed on the feedback here is what I'm currently looking at: 429803.
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Posted: 07 Aug 2010 at 2:26am |
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looking good, still say youre a little heavy on the ram
and using that much could actually be detrimental to achiving a higher overclock with good ram speed
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BeastBubba
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Posted: 08 Aug 2010 at 2:10am |
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How does maxing out the ram hurt?
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Posted: 08 Aug 2010 at 5:21am |
Because it's spending money for no gain at all, which could be better spent elsewhere on the system. Also it's much harder to achieve stable high overclocks when you have to make sure 6 sticks of memory are stable instead of 3. Edited by Dragoonseal - 08 Aug 2010 at 9:41am |
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