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  Quote Anon-E-Mouse Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Looked everywhere, ended here.
    Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 10:28am
  I've spent the last month browsing the deepest and darkest corners of the world wide web looking for a company that I think would be suited for me. I'm a member of a LAN team, and our team captain pointed me straight to Alienware.
   And the 5000$ tag pointed me right out the door.
   I also heard bad stories of their customer service and quality.
 
 Falcon northwest was my next target, and while I loved the quality assurance and customer support it seemed they offered, I wasn't ready to fork over about 3-4k for one of their middle-ground machines.
 
 I only found Digital Storm recently, but I am amazed at the customer service I have seen in the forums alone! It is a heck of a surprise to see people adjusting their builds over a forum and not needing to call, and that is something that caught my eye.
 
 Also, being able to build a nearly identical computer for almost 2k less is a plus! I enjoyed that.
 
 
 Anyway! Enough introduction, onto the machine.
 
  I do not know much about computers! (In comparison) I currently own a Dell Inspiron laptop with 2 gigs of Ram, integrated video card that I know nothing about, and duo core intel processers. I have no idea what any of that runs at, all I know is I can't play a lot of new games, or even some old one. (Indeed, Counter Strike 1.6 rough to play at full graphics)
 
 
  I have been trying to come up with a configuration but I've been getting lost by the massive selection and price differences, so I'm going to ask for help coming up with a config if anyone is at all willing!
 
 
 My price range is pretty much 2500 or less, able to go a little higher, and I am looking for something to play EVE online, WOW, Counterstrike, Bioshock, and a bunch of other random games that I've been hooked to over the years.
 
  If any more details are needed let me know
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  Quote gdhart Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 12:43pm

Take a look at this build - http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=114986 - $2476

Make sure that you ask for them to replace the 3 empty 5.25" external drive covers with mesh grill and add a 120MM fan behind them.  This will help to lower the temp of the inside of the pro case.  This is something they just started to offer on the Pro case.

If heat is a concern you would have to upgrade to either an extreme or ulta case for $215.  The above fan and grill mod would be much less expensive.



Edited by gdhart - 23 Jan 2008 at 12:44pm
850W PSU/Pro Case
Q6600-G0 2.7GHz
nVidia 680i A1 Revision
4GB 800MHz XMS2
1x500 GB WD, 2x500GB WD RAID-1
2x500GB Ext
nVidia GeForce 8800GTX 768MB
ATI TV Wonder 650
Air Cooled Stage 3
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  Quote EdH63 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 12:47pm
You've truly come to the right place for many reasons.  For $2500.00 you can build a rockin machine here.  Not that you'll have to spend that, but you'll find your dollars are well directed by extremely intelligent and savvy people in this place.

It is refreshing to have such well versed people here help walk you through a config. and you can be confident in knowing in the end, you'll have a system that is going to meet your needs in many ways.

Good luck on your build and expect to have some really nice input here on these forums.
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  Quote Anon-E-Mouse Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 1:06pm
Thank you for the quick answers!
 
 GDhart, about that build I looked over it and had jsut a few questions...
 
1. does having two Hard Drives give any performance advantage over having just one large drive? Is the second needed for anything but space?
 
2. This may sound silly to some... but what is RAID?
 
3. Any reason for the dual boot? I work in a electronics store (Source by CC) and I've found that very few people doing the upgrade from XP to vista have enjoyed the experience. Any downside to just taking XP mediac enter? Or home?
 
 
Thanks for the build though, I'll keep checking back here for sure.
 
 
  
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 1:11pm
Since you're likely to get plenty of NVidia based builds, here's an alternate:

$2511

I did not opt for RAID, but did use two HDD's so you can keep your OS on a separate drive. In a system with any sort of raw muscle (which this system has and then some) Vista is not as horrible as it gets made out, and it is necessary if you want DX10 support. You could just as easily run dual boot or go with XP.

Edit: I also think it's easier to simply start with a case with decent air flow rather than having to mod a case that struggles with dual GPU setups. You can, however save some $$$ by asking for the third 120mm fan in the pro, and requesting a high CFM fan installed in the exhaust fan mount.


Edited by Tyler Lowe - 23 Jan 2008 at 1:17pm
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  Quote Ratqueen Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 1:31pm
I'm like you, ended up here after a lot of looking around, and almost ready to order my new computer from DG :)

I think I may answer your questions.

Originally posted by Anon-E-Mouse

1. does having two Hard Drives give any performance advantage over having just one large drive? Is the second needed for anything but space?


Without a RAID setup, there is no other advantage than extra space.
 
2. This may sound silly to some... but what is RAID?


In short, it's a way to hook several hard disks together (to work as one), usually for improved performance and/or space.

You can look for a detailed explanation on Wikipedia, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
 
3. Any reason for the dual boot? I work in a electronics store (Source by CC) and I've found that very few people doing the upgrade from XP to vista have enjoyed the experience. Any downside to just taking XP mediac enter? Or home?


I was almost ready to order a dual boot system myself, but I think I've decided against it when I found out XP deletes restore points in Vista every time we boot XP.

Anyway, I think the main advantage of a dual boot system is compatibility with any programs and games you'd throw at it. I personally wanted a dual boot because I know I have some games that are not compatible with Vista. However, I do want to have Vista because, down the road, some games, programs, and hardware may require it to run properly or at their full potential. So it really all depends on what you want to do with your system.
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  Quote Anon-E-Mouse Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 1:33pm
 
  Thanks for that build as well Tyler, although it does bring another question from a less experienced mind.
 
 Whats the difference between the Asus motherboard and the Nvidea 680 A1 motherboard? Just which cards it can use?
 
  
  I know that air flow in cases is important to keep them cooled, but thats about all I know. In most of these cases I am just open to listening to what you more experienced designers know, because my extent of knowledge is 'Ram is good', 'Quad core beats Duo' and 'Dell is bad'*.
 
 (*I feel justified in saying that through my experiences with their customer service)
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  Quote Anon-E-Mouse Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 4:34pm
Okay!
 
  Here is teh design I came up with after looking at some of the suggestions here and in other places around. Couple of questions though...
 
  I went with liquid cooling to help maximize what could be overclocked, but is it really going to make a difference?
 
 Any compatibility issues?
 
 Anything that is overkill and could be downgraded or is not strong enough to meet the needs of the machine?
 
Copy of Specifications:
Case: Digital Storm Twister ULTRA (Silver Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 620W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz (1066MHz FSB) (8MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 680i Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 680i SLI) (A1 Revision)
Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair at 800MHz XMS2 (Dual Channel) (Performance)
Floppy / Card: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 1: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 7950GX2 1GB (Promotional Price) (While Supplies Last)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Motherboard Multi-Channel High Definition Audio (7.1 Channel)
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Liquid Chilled CPU Only (Blood Red Liquid)
Case Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Round Cables: - No Thanks
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Overclock Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Overclock Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Overclock Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Pre-Install Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
Support: Lifetime Toll-Free Platinum Care Technical Support
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  Quote Rai Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 8:19pm
Okay!

 This is Anon-E-Mouse, back from work and registered to post elsewhere.
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  Quote cathoris Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 8:33pm
I may have read it here but Alienware was purchased by Dell.
Digital Storm Twister Ultra
1000 WSilverStone Strider
Core 2 Quad Q6600
nVidia 780i Core 2 Quad
2GB 1066MHz Dominator RAM
2x SLI Dual GeForce 8800GTX 512MB
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  Quote Digitalkryme Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 8:37pm
ok that system is fine, but if it was me i would get rid of the 7950's and go for a 8800 card, anything from the 512 gt upwards really, if your looking for performance while saving a couple of quid, then go with the 8800 GT (make sure the bios is updated for the fan issue) or the 8800 GTS (the 512mb version with G92 chip) the GTS is faster (just) than the GT but also has better cooling solution.
 
Hope that helps a bit
 
Oh and your totally right about DELL, there customer service is $#IT, i also have an inspiron laptop but its not too bad and handles most stuff i throw at it, although only gets about 20fps on crysis medium settings :(
 


Edited by Digitalkryme - 23 Jan 2008 at 8:39pm
Before you mock someone, walk a mile in their shoes, then at least your a mile away and have their shoes as well :)
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  Quote Rai Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2008 at 11:27pm
Thanks for the update Digital.

  My problem with Dell was about 10 days after I got the laptop, the monitor split in half right down the middle.

  I had three friends in the room who could vouch for me, and essentially this was the situation.

Me - "Hi Dell, my laptop bro-"
Dell - "You dropped it."
Me - "Well, no I didn't eve-"
Dell - "You dropped it."
Me - "My name is-"
Dell- "You dropped it."

Etc.


 After being told multiple times over the phone and in emails about this, I made a video with all of my friends that were witnesses in it, did a detailed scan of the laptops edges to show there was no dings or dents, and even zoomed in on the crack which showed it orginiated from just under the latch.
 
   It actually split when I opened the laptop, so I have no idea why, but it seemed something right under the latch poked into the screen and split it when I put pressure on it.

 Regardless, after posting that video on Youtube and getting some 'slander'ous comments, Dell agreed to replace the screen if I removed it, and told me 'Even though you are wrong, we will replace it because of the trouble you went through'.

  I didn't care so long as I got my screen :P


 
 And thanks for the hints for this config, I'll be twinking and adjusting it a little as I try to make up my mind. Big%20smile
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jan 2008 at 1:42am
I think you will really be shooting yourself in the foot going with a GPU that low, for 2500 you could get a much stronger build imo
 
 
This would be, in my personal opinion, an ideal gaming monster for ~2500
use the extra $ below 2500 to fill that ultra case up with 120mm fans!
$10 each, i think it holds 12 total
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  Quote Digitalkryme Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jan 2008 at 3:27am

Rai,

A little off topic, but about the dell

Mine did exactly the same thing, i use mine with a sat nav and was house hunting for my mother in law, my wife and i drove to a house and shut the screen down to about 1 inch (didn't want to go to standby wasn't going to be long enough) was in the house roughly 20 mins, came out and system had shutdown, restarted it and screen was split in two.

Long story short.... Dell said they would fix it, they collected and then phoned me up saying i would have to pay for a new screen as i had "done something to it to make that happen" thankfully i used to be a dell repair engineer so shouted at them and got it repaired, but the service is awful, it took at least 20 phone calls and emails, also they refused to update my address (since i moved) and the courier company kept delivering to my old address 100 miles away.

that was £1200 or roughly $2400, wish i had got one from DigitalStorm now Ouch

Before you mock someone, walk a mile in their shoes, then at least your a mile away and have their shoes as well :)
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