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    Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 11:46am
Hello, I'm looking into buying a new rig and am not really sure what I need or should want. Basicly I want to play AOC and Warhammer when it releases with as much performance as I can get but I'm still price concious to an extent. I have a 30 inch XHD3000 Gateway monitor that will accept 2560x1600 resolution and I'de like to play smooth on that or at least one step below that. What Im currently considering is:
Q6850 or a Q9850
790i mobo I think is a must with whatever I get
I have no clue on Graphics cards... A single 280x or dual 8800's or somthing between ???
probably 1000W power supply
4 gigs ram
and I currently run 10000 rpm raptors in raid zero and would never go back to a non raid zero config
My question is how do I get the most bang for my buck and have a system that will last me 3-5 years, is the Killer nic worth it? Am I going overkill?
Any advice is very helpful, Thank you
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 11:53am
this should help you get started, just a guide to help you get your foot in the door
as far as i build goes, it will be easier when you give a bit more specifics, how much HDD space, price range, etc
build outline
most "ping fixing" hardware is pretty minimal with what it can accomplish for you


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  Quote Bismark Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 12:13pm
Wow thanks for the crazy fast reply.
Hard drive space isnt really an issue for me as this would be a rig used only for gaming My current gaming rig has 2 74 gig WD raptors and in almost 4 years im only at about half capacity.
Price range Ide like to get in under four grand, Ide go a little higher if theres somthing that just cant be passed over.
My real issues are on processors and graphics cards and compatibilty for the future so I can upgrade and not have to buy completly new. Basicly I need to upgrade because of directx 10 and my system is lets say last generation or before. But Ive no clue lets say for an example is it worth the price to buy the top notch processor or can I be satisfied with a quad core not an extreme?
You all will probably laugh but heres my current rig which lasted almost 4 years now:
AMD 64 3500+
Msi neo MOBO
2 x 74 gig WD raptors in Raid zero
on board sound
bfg nvidia 6800 gt factory oc'd
1 gig Crucial ballistix ram (cant remember the specs off hand, was fast 3.5 years ago lol)
very simple and cost effective cd rw drive
so as you can see this will be a major upgrade for me which I hope to last me a few years like this rig did....and this rig actually performed excellent in eq2 vanguard and WOW...lil choppy in vanguard but I think everyone was.

Thanks again for any help


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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 12:24pm
haha i got my DSO rig in feburary, before that i had a 80gig hd, 512ram, a 2.14GHz processor and a FX5200 gpu...
if your pricerange is 3-4k then id suggest this
i really dont think that getting the "crazy" or "extreme" chips are worth it, my chip is 2.4 OC to 3.555 GHz (my sig is outdated) ... while its never a garentee that OCing will go that well for everyone, its a pretty solid chance that youll make it far enough with your own OC that the margin will be negligible
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  Quote Bismark Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 12:42pm
Ok this is what Im looking at, am I going overkill? Is the single graphics card option better than going say two 9800 gtx's.
Basicly over youe suggestion !ender im going a bit faster Ram and a 790i mobo are the only differences I see. Not sure its worth the 600 bucks.Config

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  Quote Bismark Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2008 at 11:41am
Ok after more looking and 40-50 more configurations these are the two im currently considering.Configuration 1 and Configuration 2

Tell me what you all think please.

The reason for the different processors is that I heard the Q9450 is going to be EOL soon (dunno if that really matters) and I'm hoping the Q9550 might overclock better but thats a shot in the dark.

On either set up should I add a dedicated storage drive?

Is the Soundblaster sound card really that much better than the razer card or even that much better than on board sound?

Theres 3 available options in 1000W power are there any differences?

I have used a Raid 0 set up for 4 years and have been happy but.. am I really gaining much by todays standards in hard drives? (its been so long since I ran a standard drive set up I cant remember)

And finally I'm running this huge monitor and I can do picture in picture on it, so should I invest in a TV tuner card so I can say watch football and work on some blueprints at the same time. No clue what a tv tuner card does.

Ok last off, I'm sorry for the billion questions I havnt done this in 4 years and have fallen behind the times. Also I'm just really excited. I have 4 grand to drop on a rig plus or minus a little either way. So thanks in advance of anything you folks want to share.

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  Quote skyR Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2008 at 12:18pm
The Q9450 has a 8x multiplier while the Q9550 has a 8.5x multiplier. So it depends on high you want your processor clocked at but both these chips can easily hit close to 4GHz on a 790i (if you're lucky enough).

The Q9450 will become EOL and be replaced by the Q9400 this summer while the Q9550 will start to phase out (become EOL) in the first quarter of 2009. I don't know if this has any impact on your decision =\

You should probably add an dedicated storage drive if you store important stuff or a lot because if a drive fails in RAID 0, all the data is lost.

Sound depends on ear so opinions will vary.

There is a difference between the 1000W PSUs. The Corsair PSU is the only one with modular cabling. PCP&C has a single 12v rail while Corsair has two and Coolermaster has a lot.

A TV tuner lets your PC receive television signals so you are able to watch TV. Some tuners will even have time-shifting and recording abilities.


Edited by skyR - 26 Jun 2008 at 12:23pm
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  Quote widdlecat Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2008 at 3:34pm
I'll stick my neck out here on the sound card issue. Since I used to review high end audio gear, every time I hear the phrase "audiophile quality" associated with pc sound, I cringe. Rarely do sound card manufacturers even bother to hit up audiophile parts manufacturers for even their budget DACs or other components. Seems so far the two exceptions are ASUS's top of the line Xonar card with Burr Brown DACs (yay! my faves) and now Razer's Baraccuda card making use of Analog Devices opamps (another fave manufacturer).

Mostly, try not to believe all the hype in reviews. Read between the lines and understand that sampling rate isn't the be all and end all. S/N ratio is very important... if it's above 115, it's pretty good. A card with an EMI shield will likely be the quietest with the least audible distortion.

Yes, as a reviewer, there are times when one writes so that readers have to read between the lines so as to not totally offend manufacturers. (and editors) Being more blunt than most reviewers eventually got me out of the business LOL.
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  Quote Bismark Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2008 at 3:53pm
Thank you SkyR and Widdlecat.

So if I understand correctly a tv tuner card will have a coaxil hookup for tv cable, run a line to it and watch TV on the computer monitor?

And Razer Baracuda it is on sound, damn it will be nice to not have to screw with on board sound again, I miss those days.

Any opinions, ideas, or anyone notice anything I'm missing on the two configurations I posted? Q9550 or Q9450? does EOL really mean anything to me?

Thanks again folks
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  Quote skyR Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2008 at 3:57pm
Yes, you're correct on the TV tuner.

EOL = end of life. There won't be much resell value if you ever plan to put it up on ebay and if your processor dies on you, it might take a long time to get it replaced since it is no longer being made.
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