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    Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 12:01am
Hey again guys!

Well Im still building up my system, order date is looking to be the second week of September ! Clap

But what I am still unsure of is to go with a very Fast OCed E8500 Dual Core, or to Go with a OCed Q9550?

Mathematically I know that I can do "more things" with a quad and multi-task much easier but what I am worried about is my selection of games and whether a faster Dual Core would be a better option to pick.
I play games, like Oblivion (main reason I even ventured forth into getting a new computer heh.) Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, and Fable. Im looking to get the best graphical looks and highest resolution as possible on a 1900x1200 monitor with as little stuttering as possible.

So in short, my question is what will better suit me, a OCed E8500 or OCed Q9550

And one last thing, I know OC times vary, but what is the average OC of a Liquid Cooled Q9550?

Thank you so much for the help!
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This article might help you decide:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/cpu-scaling-in-games-with-quad-core-processors/
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Q9550 has more cache so that would be better for gaming, but I guess the difference comes in how fast and stable DS can OC a E8500 and a Q9550.

Also if you can find somebody that has a quad core and a dual core and see if the dual core speed does really make a difference or is not even noticed?

I don't' see any gamers here with a Q9.x.x.x quad core complaining that they can't run a game due to their processors lack of speed or that its not running as well as a dual core system.

Edit: after reading the article skyr has lined, it looked like the difference is not that big of a deal at all.

so with quad core you get to do much more then dual core for very unnoticeable difference.

so I guess its more of a price question, you want to pay to have the latest chip or you want to pay less and go with a dual core?

I would also advise you that if you gonna own this PC for the next few years, take into account that in the near future, there are gonna be games out there geared more toward quad cores ;)

Edited by DST4ME - 24 Aug 2008 at 12:56am

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Here is the math:
 
(Q9450 + OC) > (Q9550 || E8500)
 
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or

(Q9550 + OC) > (Q9450 || E8500)

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Posts: 215 		  Quote david5182 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 6:49pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

or

(Q9550 + OC) > (Q9450 || E8500)
 
That's also valid, however, I strongly believe that, assuming the same cooling is to be used, the OCs of both CPUs would yield same result. This is because the CPUs are identical except for the clock speed. Therefore, technically, they both can only be overclocked up to a certain limit.
 
If what I said above is true, than Q9450 is a better choice because it costs less than Q9550.


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The Q9450 and Q9550 are actually the same price.

The Q9550 is better for overclocking because of it's higher multiplier.

450 * 8 = 3.6ghz (Q9450)
450 * 8.5 = 3.8ghz (Q9550)
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@david5182, HM's system has already proven that 9550 can achive a higher speed, and skyr just gave you the simple match proving that it can go higher.


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I have an E8500 with a mild to moderate overclock, its definaly enough to run anything out there and with plenty of stuff in the background...quad cores are just fluff, if you want to save a bit of money for other items then dual cores are perfect for that ideal.

Also I dont believe the Q9--- line has a larger cache, i dont think its shared. I think its 6MBx2.
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really, run an a SMP client and tell me how it goes, then if the one works run 2 and run your games and then let us know how that is working for you ;)

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Why the hell would i do that? I dont have any need to run any of those things alone. Let alone while im playing games. All i need when gaming is sometimes is ventrillo, steam, and a few messengers running....
 
and i have a moving desktop wallpaper....
 
And ive never had any slowdowns...so really...dual core is all ive needed and for 90% of the customer base, all they need is a dual core too.
 
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So then correct your statement cause I got a x9000 that will eat your e8500 for breakfast, your system can't handle what ever I throw at it.

But the Q9.x.x.x can throw what ever you and I can throw at it

while your system will cry at a site of one SMP client the Q can run 3 of those, while doing p2p, photo editing and etc.

Now I'm not saying there is anything wrong with your e8500, but at the same time lets not make statements that are not true, like "my system can handle what ever you throw at it. Your system can't even run p2p or something like that in the background while you playing games.


So your system you claim can throw what ever game we throw at it.

A Q chip can handle what ever game you throw at it, while doing other things in the background.

So really thats the difference.

As for as why would anybody want to run something like FAH?

well some of us like to help find cure to cancer and such, some of us just don't care or don't want to help, which is fine. but there are many other apps out there that can use 4 cores or demand that much CPU, your chip just can't handle anything like that.

I like to help humanity to find cure for diseases and be healthier, so sue me.

Everybody that buys a high-end PC does not do so for the sole reason of games, many gamers are interested in many other things. FAH has got many gaming teams as members cause most gamers happen to want the latest technology.

Edited by DST4ME - 24 Aug 2008 at 11:59pm

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